Reflashes suck the big one - you get crappy dyno sheets like this one and 11.62 @121 1/4 mile times - while keeping stock like idle and driveability with a reflash

 

Im running a very conservative 21 pounds, and 93 octane...Al...Im not looking to compete with you...your runs and your car run on race fuel...mine is a street car two different animals...your power isnt as linear...wait until u see the dyno sheet

 

dont take it that way Im just saying that some factor High boost/ timing/ increased displacement or weird dyno settings need to be looked at before everyone rushes to get 420 WHP on pump

 

What differnce does it make what I think - the master has already spoken on this subject - on the same exact turbo

"I don't think we're ever going to see really big numbers with pump gas. It's just not safe since detonation is the limiting factor when tuning these high specific output turbo cars. On 93 octane, I suspect we could go as high a 315-320 whp (on our DD Dyno) but that's about all I would attempt. In the end, we can't get around the fact that we are tuning a 2.0L motor. We're dealing with some pretty heady specific outputs. And in order to support that safely, sufficient octane is required.
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Cheers,
shiv

 

Listen man - I wasn't going to say anothing - BUT - you had to make the extra comment about reflahed ecus not being as good - - whats your problem man - why not just report what you ware doing without making negative comments about what i am doing ?

 

You have no clue man - my car is a daily driver with a baby seat and unlike you its my only car so it gets some miles

My power band would cover yours from spool up to full boost - go ahead - photo shop them together and see what you get - remember mine are run by speed in 3rd gear

 

I agree Pesto lets not let this one slip into a black hole!

So this guys making 40+ more HP than shiv thinks he can make on 91 well its not totally out of range though I still think hot

 

al its real..anyone is more than welcome to try it for yourself...my car will run 419 to the wheels in front of anyone who wants to witness it...nitrous, no alcohol (yet still deciding), and we watched frank gradually tune it.... Im not knocking your setup al...Its just reflashing the factory computer has its limitations, and I think thats obvious when you compare two similar setups with one main difference, the AEM vs Reflash. BUT again, AL you and I are after two different things....I want a sleeper street car, you go to the track and your car lives in race fuel...mine will never see race fuel..unless i have a real change of heart...and Im not boasting....these are simple facts....also...believe it or not...the car was tuned moderatley conservative...could have squeezed a bit more out of it...and wasnt your 448 run with the Ntercooler? and Race fuel? ( and you yourself said the Ntercooler is like adding nitrous because it fogs up the front of your car with nitrous)

 

Cause I asked your opinion dont be an ***

 

BTW - no **** its not linear - its a flat wall of power from spool up to red line - this dyno sheet is prectically flat - its flatter than a stock car - by all means post your dyno sheet up against this one - I'm making over 400 whp from 5,800 to 8,800 rpms - a fairly wide power band

 

Al I said REFLASH not DynoFlash, youre not the only one reflashing computers...I just think and i think this proves it....that a standalone, albeit much more expensive, is a better alternative when you build a car to these extremes

 

Linear means flat AL

So Pesto this is the first start up and tune? Frank already squeezed freaking 419 HP in a few hours? Man thats good stuff

 

No those runs are straight 23.5 psi - done at the Dyno meet with about 20 guys watching - we were testing the exhuasts

I have never pushed my car on normal boost to a lean a/f ratio or pressed the ign timing - but I have already hit 460 whp on just turbo - prob about 475 - 480 would be a good end number on 100 octane unleaded


You are dead arong about the reflash - for any use up to 450 whp it actually works better than the stand alone - the cold start - the idel - changes in temps - etc etc etc - the dyno sheets I posted here show I can make more hp than you claim using the reflash and keep all my stock ecu functions

 

Unless you actually tested some reflashes against the aem - your just talking hot air

You dont know what your talking about - you never tried a reflash and you have no facts to support yout theory

How does your claim of 419 whp prove a stand alone is needed for mid 400 whp when I have just shown you 3 dyno sheets from a reflashed stock ecu making MORE power and a better power band on the almost identical set up ???

Why not just enjoy your car and post up the dyno sheets instead of trying to turn this all into a indictment of reflashes as being weak ?

 

yeah it only did 8 runs, and the first 3-4 were to do part throttle settings for the aem....I only had two full boost runs...there is more power to be had but that may be pushing the limits of the street fuel...I dont want to get a weak tank and screw anything up...I may go to alcohol injection and squeeze out maybe 30-40 more...who knows...not sure yet....I apprecate all the nice comments....any way I can help you guys or give you my input Id be more than happy...but im not an expert...Im gonna let the experts from SFP.net post up the dyno results and proof from franks computer etc etc so im not accused of mocking up the sheets...which would be such a stupid thing to do...