evo2envy....sure the stock block can handle 450 hp...but thats really beatin on it. with upgraded internals the motor can handle that power with ease. pretty much just makes it a comfort issue knowing your engine won't blow up randomly.

 

Ill answer the best I can, as far as rpms and specifics of the dyno run....I dont have the sheet in front of me and the files I have cant be opened...and Id rather SFP post up all the facts with supporting documentation...so there is no question of foul play...I am a true believer in having a plan with anything in life...want to add 200 horsepower to a car..change the internals...just my personal opinion..can it hande that sort of power..Im not so sure...through als mistakes we learned the head bolts stretch,,,and through others observations, the rod bolts are weak...why spend all that money on mods then fall short? it will only cost more in the end....when you build a house...build a strong foundation..and the foundation of your engine is your rotating assembly.....as far as the rpms....my redline is now 8500 and it pulls right to the end

 

You don't know how much I spent. I dont know how much you spent. I have quite a few sponsors like Ferrea and ARP so I get a lot of things free or at very good prices and I do most of my own work and all my own tuning so I doubt I spent even 1/3 of what you spent. Even If I spent 10x's more - it was worth it to LEARN the car. I have discovered a lot of things first hand - not by hearing it from a shop selling me parts. I am a pioneer - not a copy cat. I like to figure out the best combinations on my own - by trial and error. A "plan" to me is not about cutting a check. The "plan" is to work on it slowly and figure out the best combo.

I enjoy working on the car and building it as much as driving it so it certainly wasn't a waste of time going through what I went through to figure it all out. And unlike you - I am not done - my car is still a work in progress. I keep refining it and making it better. And I have some very good hands and minds helping me.

BTW - who do you think worked with Ferrea to develop those valves you are using? It was our head and cams that they used to develop them - it was my idea to comission them.

Soon you will find out about some of the engine development things we went through.

Like I said making cars like this is a work in progress - its never "done"

 

Great numbers with your car. As cartman would say, "kick ***" ..

I'm curious, and a little naive regarding ECU programming. Why is it being stated that a reflashed ECU can't handle over 450hp? Errr .. better question would be, whats wrong with the ecu, when reflashed, that it can't handle over that much HP? What does a standalone provide that reflashing/programming the stock ecu can't do? (i'm not trying to ask if one's better, just curious what the limitation on the ecu is, and what a standalone allows).

thansk

 

Keep up the good work...its people like you who never give up that make this so much fun and make parts development much easier....in the 80s and 90s Mustangs were the aftermarket kings..because of peopel like you who pioneered parts etc....you just have a ****ty attitude

 

I have found the stock air flow meter can not measure enough air to go over 450 whp - after that you NEED to go MAP based. Below that a stand alone is optional

Of course there are ways to add a larger maf sensor or modify the stock one - but with really good stand alones so cheap its really not worth it

 

<on topic> still fantastic ##'s

So ...... al, to go above 450, do you keep the reflashed ecu and then tune it with the standalone?

 

Don't worry everyone, I will be posting dyno sheets, and AEM datalog files tomorrow so everyone can see what we were doing for boost, knock, timing etc... BTW: zero knock, and very very conservative. Lets all just calm down folks. See it's so funny, we were in the dually on the way back from the dyno session and we were laughing over all this saying that we should have ran a video camera from empty tank at the gas station down the street from the dyno, filling the tank with 93, rolling it up to the dyno, while still recording stick the vid. camera on a tripod and let the night pass by. You all would be amazed at this car and the tuning done on it. You'll see the dyno graphs tomorrow. Vid's are avail now. Im sure John posted a link by now.

On another note: Why don't a few of you guys just let John have his glory. We built him a beast of a car that makes 419wHP on 93 octane pump gas with EGT's in the 590deg. C range, zero knock, and conservative timing maps with a smooth as butter flat A/F and HP curve. Not a single burp on the plot. Just because we've done something that know one (that I know of) has done on pump gas in a U.S. spec EVO doesn't mean people should immediately get all defensive and justify why there setup is better or more reliable. Frank, the owner of South Florida Performance may not be well known to some of you but he's been in this game for over 15 years. I bet you didn't know that he holds the national record on NA and nitrous Viper HP level, builds 8 and 9 second street driven domestics like camaro's and mustangs, was the first person in the US. to make over 300HP on an RSX Type S back right when the car came out, builds 1000+ HP Supra's and 650+ HP MR2 turbo's, and has right now the world record Street class civic coupe or hatchback record with a 10.2@133mph on a measly 1.71 60ft lifting at the top of 3rd gear (test and tune dial in pass) and runs 149mph on the car continuously. the B18C engine in it makes just over 600hp no nitrous and about 750hp on the bottle. Additionally he's never lost a motor. Axles and ring gears are another story though We at SFP, in the past, have not hyped up what we can do, and have done and many people don't know us as a result. I don't know many people who can say they've built rail dragsters, custom racecar chassis fabrication, tune, race, sell, install service and make monster reliable horsepower on such a wide spectrum of automobiles. I'm sure they are a very few others out there though. With the internet boom now days we've always kept quiet. If anyone has any question for myself or Frank about evo's, hondas, chevys, toyota's etc... feel free to give us a shout or email us. We are very proud of what we've done for John and it makes us very very happy to see him so delighted with the car. The whole SFP team tonight rode home tonight very excited for John and the future of his Black Beast SFP Evo.

 

Pesto... Awesome setup! But keep in mind, you did bring this whole thing on...

Everyone knows you SPECIFICALLY mentioned reflash in your post for a reason.

Secondly, you could make just as much power with a 350 dolllar SAFC. Its been done. The AEM has its advantages, but not that many over SAFC or Reflash.

 

Go with meth/water injection BTW, its awesome and I will be using it this summer. You could use the added octane...probably get close for 475 daily driven.

If you want a SICK setup (seems like you do). You should have SFP hook up sheet metal manifold, dry direct port nitrous, meth/water injection and control everything via the AEM. You should also think about controlling boost via the AEM.

 

Yeah I brought it on...come on watching al on here for months abusing people..its time he gets it back..
on race fuel....Im running street fuel...I dont doubt power can be made with safc or reflash...just more efficient power can be made with a stand-alone..pkease dont get me wrong...Im not starting a better than thou thread like some people do...noo not at all...Its just that the stand alone sytems were designed specificially to modify and change with many parameters....By the way...for the most part I agree with everything you said...except when u mention the power u forget to mention the race fuel part

 

You just remove the stock ecu and put in the aem or autronic

 

Hey im open to suggestions..now that the bottom end is built id consider other power adding options...Im not sure it needs more power to be honest with you...I avent had much time with it to make a determination...anyway here are some videos of my dyno run
http://www.vtecturbo2000.com/evo/movies/

 

Only a rich spoiled brat like you would waste my time picking my brain - copy my set up down to almost the last bolt and then have the audacity to purposely "give it back" to me

The problem is your trying to "give it back" to me - but you have no actual experience to back you up - other than writing checks of course

Once I have some more experience in this business I will learn to not return phone calls from guys like you - like the rest of the tuner shops did

 

BTW - PESTO - on the whole REFLASH vs. STANDALONE debate -

answer me this - what will you do come emissions testing time ????


My 450 whp reflash set up would have passed emissions in ANY state - it was fully OBD 2 compliant and we all know most states test emsissions through the OBDII port on evos - - HOW the heck are you going to pass emissions without having anything hooked up to the obdII plug>?>?????