You are so wrong I have a Aquamist 2D system and it recommends 50/50 methanol water. It specifically says NO! ethanol it gunks up the line and pump. Rally guys have been using these for a long time. Once again the UK has gone round an round with these cars longer than most even knew they existed. Aquamist is also a British company by the way.

 

Yes, do your research before you post. You should use lubricant if you run a 100% meth setup.

 

I think Al should come down along with his Evo and run for bragging rights... and maybe bring along some WRX's. Im pretty confident alot of people would pay to see such races.

 

The best stuff out there for adding to alcohol/water mixes is the synthetic top cylinder lube made by Klotz Special Formula Products, Inc., sold as Uplon Fuel Lube KL-107. That's what is used in most of the top fuel, and alcohol funny car dragsters. Don't leave home without it...

 

Hi John,

First of all, congrats on the numbers. They sound great! Second of all, ignore Al

Just a couple of questions: At what RPM is peak hp reached in your set up. And how much of that power is there 1000rpm earlier.

The reason I'm asking is that on our Stage 2 customer car, we're making 430-440whp (AWD Dynojet #s) on race gas. But the problem is that we're seeing most of that hp as early as 6000rpm. And we're also running the bigger 0.82 housing on the 3037 so, all things equal, it should make peak power closer to redline. But after 6000rpm, power starts to level off quickly due to what looks like a flow limitation in the factory head which really isn't a surprise. The car is running 264/264 cams (as specified by the customer) with a stock motor. If porting the head and running the big 272 cams means that we can make this power on pump gas, it'll give the customer something to think about

Cheers,
shiv

Attached below is the last Dynojet run we did at ATP at the Works dyno day last weekend. We picked up some extra power since then but the shape of the graph shows you what I'm talking about. Plus, it's the only AWD Dynojet run I have of the car

 

Damn, guys...what's with all the hate??? Al's #'s speak for themselves...

 

You need an intake manifold with a larger plenum, and shorter, fatter runners. Just remember who told you.

 

Already getting one made Shape But the point was that John is making big numbers without the manifold on pump gas.

 

Here's the latest results off of our Dyno Dynamics Dyno (for Dynojet equivalence, multiply by 1.12-1.15). Look how restrictive things get above 6000rpm with the stock engine/intake manifold/etc,.

Stock vs. Stage 2

 

Don't get to cocky with Shiv. he is always 10 steps ahead more then most people think. And just because he does not like DSM does not mean he does not know anything about the 4g63.

My Best
Eric

 

I woudn't say that. There's quite a bit I don't know about the 4g63. But whenever I hear something impressive (like John's pump gas results), I'd like to figure out what factors lead to those result. Saves me a lot of trial and error and accelerates the learning curve.

Cheers,
shiv

 

Please don't turn this into a **** YOU MATCH AGAIN!!! We may have some good info coming on this thread

 

I was not trying to do that. Just pulling on Shapes leg.

Eric

 

nice numbers john, congrats on you and the SFP guys.
--chris @ SPD Racing

 

Congrats John. Can't wait to see the graphs posted. Best of luck with it.

Also although I respect all that Al has done, I think his comparing a race gas dyno number to a pump gas number makes no sense whatsoever.