419 HP to the wheels on 93 octane
Originally posted by QuantumEVO
Well, I beg to differ. You/SFP are the first to decline any sort of pooling effort. That's a shame. It isn't like anyone is actually going to be able to use your map anyways or that anyone can't replicate it.
My customers would hang me by something tender if I tried to tell them what to do with their payed for tune. <shrug>
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
Well, I beg to differ. You/SFP are the first to decline any sort of pooling effort. That's a shame. It isn't like anyone is actually going to be able to use your map anyways or that anyone can't replicate it.
My customers would hang me by something tender if I tried to tell them what to do with their payed for tune. <shrug>
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
im only speaking for me bro... not SFP.
Shiv-
Based upon what we were told from Precision Turbo was that the back housing flowed similarly to a .58 A/R in a Garrett. Possibly this is due to the divided housing used on their turbo. By the way, we're not saying that a ball bearing turbo is inferior to a standard 360 thrust bearing turbo, just that you can buy for half the price a comperable standard garrett turbo that will perform very well for most people.
QuantumEVO-
I'd like to clarify that we at SFP have absolutely no problem with any of our customers doing whatever they wish to do with their maps and are welcome to share them with whoever they wish. I think that we can agree that with tuning you either know how to do it or you don't. Although, we cannot devote all of our day answering tech questions and helping our customers out learning to use their AEM's, we take every opportunity to assist people, customers or not, with tuning both with AEM's and other management systems.
Based upon what we were told from Precision Turbo was that the back housing flowed similarly to a .58 A/R in a Garrett. Possibly this is due to the divided housing used on their turbo. By the way, we're not saying that a ball bearing turbo is inferior to a standard 360 thrust bearing turbo, just that you can buy for half the price a comperable standard garrett turbo that will perform very well for most people.
QuantumEVO-
I'd like to clarify that we at SFP have absolutely no problem with any of our customers doing whatever they wish to do with their maps and are welcome to share them with whoever they wish. I think that we can agree that with tuning you either know how to do it or you don't. Although, we cannot devote all of our day answering tech questions and helping our customers out learning to use their AEM's, we take every opportunity to assist people, customers or not, with tuning both with AEM's and other management systems.
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Originally posted by SFPRacing
People pay a ton of money for those 3037's when we have a solution that will spool just about as fast and make gobs more power up top and pull hard to to an 8500rpm redline, for a hell of a lot less money. Our solution includes a tubular custom turbo manifold, Tial wastegate 38mm, turbocharger, install kit, downpipe and lower IC pipe for just about $2100.
People pay a ton of money for those 3037's when we have a solution that will spool just about as fast and make gobs more power up top and pull hard to to an 8500rpm redline, for a hell of a lot less money. Our solution includes a tubular custom turbo manifold, Tial wastegate 38mm, turbocharger, install kit, downpipe and lower IC pipe for just about $2100.
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Originally posted by SFPRacing
Shiv-
Based upon what we were told from Precision Turbo was that the back housing flowed similarly to a .58 A/R in a Garrett. Possibly this is due to the divided housing used on their turbo.
Shiv-
Based upon what we were told from Precision Turbo was that the back housing flowed similarly to a .58 A/R in a Garrett. Possibly this is due to the divided housing used on their turbo.
My 2c,
shiv
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Really, very interesting thread guys.
BTW good numbers there bud
South Florida performance huh? Great job guys. Ive used your manifolds in the past on many mazda projects. Good stuff and very knowledgable guys.
As far as the turbos go, we will have a similiar setup in our car soon.
Stage 5 T3 .58 A/R TO4 4 bolt discharge turbine housing.
TO4E 54 trim compressor. Care to comment on that match up?
We are also testing TWO different ECU's. AEM this coming week and Motec. We will post in the end of december all of our findings.
Also if i can add a small "ignorant" comment. I dont see where the big issue is with making 400+ HP on pump gas. Anyone care to comment on this. We have done this on many DSM's for years.
And quantum nice manifold bud!
BTW good numbers there bud
South Florida performance huh? Great job guys. Ive used your manifolds in the past on many mazda projects. Good stuff and very knowledgable guys.
As far as the turbos go, we will have a similiar setup in our car soon.
Stage 5 T3 .58 A/R TO4 4 bolt discharge turbine housing.
TO4E 54 trim compressor. Care to comment on that match up?
We are also testing TWO different ECU's. AEM this coming week and Motec. We will post in the end of december all of our findings.
Also if i can add a small "ignorant" comment. I dont see where the big issue is with making 400+ HP on pump gas. Anyone care to comment on this. We have done this on many DSM's for years.
And quantum nice manifold bud!
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Hi John,
First of all, congrats on the numbers. They sound great! Second of all, ignore Al
Just a couple of questions: At what RPM is peak hp reached in your set up. And how much of that power is there 1000rpm earlier.
The reason I'm asking is that on our Stage 2 customer car, we're making 430-440whp (AWD Dynojet #s) on race gas. But the problem is that we're seeing most of that hp as early as 6000rpm. And we're also running the bigger 0.82 housing on the 3037 so, all things equal, it should make peak power closer to redline. But after 6000rpm, power starts to level off quickly due to what looks like a flow limitation in the factory head which really isn't a surprise. The car is running 264/264 cams (as specified by the customer) with a stock motor. If porting the head and running the big 272 cams means that we can make this power on pump gas, it'll give the customer something to think about
Cheers,
shiv
Attached below is the last Dynojet run we did at ATP at the Works dyno day last weekend. We picked up some extra power since then but the shape of the graph shows you what I'm talking about. Plus, it's the only AWD Dynojet run I have of the car
Hi John,
First of all, congrats on the numbers. They sound great! Second of all, ignore Al
Just a couple of questions: At what RPM is peak hp reached in your set up. And how much of that power is there 1000rpm earlier.
The reason I'm asking is that on our Stage 2 customer car, we're making 430-440whp (AWD Dynojet #s) on race gas. But the problem is that we're seeing most of that hp as early as 6000rpm. And we're also running the bigger 0.82 housing on the 3037 so, all things equal, it should make peak power closer to redline. But after 6000rpm, power starts to level off quickly due to what looks like a flow limitation in the factory head which really isn't a surprise. The car is running 264/264 cams (as specified by the customer) with a stock motor. If porting the head and running the big 272 cams means that we can make this power on pump gas, it'll give the customer something to think about
Cheers,
shiv
Attached below is the last Dynojet run we did at ATP at the Works dyno day last weekend. We picked up some extra power since then but the shape of the graph shows you what I'm talking about. Plus, it's the only AWD Dynojet run I have of the car
Re: Re: 419 HP to the wheels on 93 octane
Originally posted by 954DRGSR
Congrats John. Can't wait to see the graphs posted. Best of luck with it.
Also although I respect all that Al has done, I think his comparing a race gas dyno number to a pump gas number makes no sense whatsoever.
Congrats John. Can't wait to see the graphs posted. Best of luck with it.
Also although I respect all that Al has done, I think his comparing a race gas dyno number to a pump gas number makes no sense whatsoever.
Frankly - I just don't get it - the rich guy dumps $30,000 into his evo but dosen't want to run 100 octane which is $2.00 a gal more
Anyway - I am curious now how much power can be SAFELY made on 93 octane with my set up so next week we'll have some new numbers
Re: Re: Re: 419 HP to the wheels on 93 octane
Originally posted by Alfriedesq
I honestly have not even pressed ANY of my tuning maps on boost yet - but you can be sure when I return from my trip to Altlanta I will be doing some 93 octane dyno runs this week
I honestly have not even pressed ANY of my tuning maps on boost yet - but you can be sure when I return from my trip to Altlanta I will be doing some 93 octane dyno runs this week
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Yes - ignore Al indeed - I don't know anything - thats why my car makes 50 more whp than Shivs with the same tuebo while spooling up 500 rpms sooner !
Yes - ignore Al indeed - I don't know anything - thats why my car makes 50 more whp than Shivs with the same tuebo while spooling up 500 rpms sooner !
it seems you are continuing your egotistical ways from the old i-club...yes, we are all aware you can sink a lot of cash into your car, that's great, good for you...whoopity-do-da...huzzah...joy
at least we can be fairly confident that when the next "in" car comes along you'll lose interest in the Evo just like you did the WRX and move on to harrass the new owners of that model
you are destroying what little reputation is left of your business and you are bringing down Pruven unfortunately in the process...if they were smart, they would disassociate themselves with you...if you were smart (which you have proven you are not) you would take a much more conservative, less egotistical attitude so as not to destroy your business...what's left of it anyway
Originally posted by perfworks
Really, very interesting thread guys.
Also if i can add a small "ignorant" comment. I dont see where the big issue is with making 400+ HP on pump gas. Anyone care to comment on this. We have done this on many DSM's for years.
And quantum nice manifold bud!
Really, very interesting thread guys.
Also if i can add a small "ignorant" comment. I dont see where the big issue is with making 400+ HP on pump gas. Anyone care to comment on this. We have done this on many DSM's for years.
And quantum nice manifold bud!
BTW - it should be more like what's the big deal making 400 whp on a $30,000 custom engine build up ????? How many $$'s is that per hp and was that part of the "plan" ???
Originally posted by SFPRacing
Shiv-
Based upon what we were told from Precision Turbo was that the back housing flowed similarly to a .58 A/R in a Garrett.
Shiv-
Based upon what we were told from Precision Turbo was that the back housing flowed similarly to a .58 A/R in a Garrett.
Reason why I ask is becuase I have had the GT versions and the regular garret versions and they are very close
Originally posted by -LD
a rich boy with money to dump in his car doesn't mean you know what you're talking about
it seems you are continuing your egotistical ways from the old i-club...yes, we are all aware you can sink a lot of cash into your car, that's great, good for you...whoopity-do-da...huzzah...joy
at least we can be fairly confident that when the next "in" car comes along you'll lose interest in the Evo just like you did the WRX and move on to harrass the new owners of that model
you are destroying what little reputation is left of your business and you are bringing down Pruven unfortunately in the process...if they were smart, they would disassociate themselves with you...if you were smart (which you have proven you are not) you would take a much more conservative, less egotistical attitude so as not to destroy your business...what's left of it anyway
a rich boy with money to dump in his car doesn't mean you know what you're talking about
it seems you are continuing your egotistical ways from the old i-club...yes, we are all aware you can sink a lot of cash into your car, that's great, good for you...whoopity-do-da...huzzah...joy
at least we can be fairly confident that when the next "in" car comes along you'll lose interest in the Evo just like you did the WRX and move on to harrass the new owners of that model
you are destroying what little reputation is left of your business and you are bringing down Pruven unfortunately in the process...if they were smart, they would disassociate themselves with you...if you were smart (which you have proven you are not) you would take a much more conservative, less egotistical attitude so as not to destroy your business...what's left of it anyway
I have nothing to do with Pruven other than renting a **** load of dyno time there and being a customer.
As you may notice Pruven does not make ANY posts on this forum. They do not participate in these postings in any manner.
Originally posted by vr430
I am going to risk a warning from the mods, but since you were gone, Al, this thread has turned into a Jem, and now you are back to f*** it up again! SO SHUT THE F*** UP AND GET AWAY FROM HERE! Mods, would you please ban this f***cking egomaniac from this thread!
I am going to risk a warning from the mods, but since you were gone, Al, this thread has turned into a Jem, and now you are back to f*** it up again! SO SHUT THE F*** UP AND GET AWAY FROM HERE! Mods, would you please ban this f***cking egomaniac from this thread!
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