AEM BEWARE!!!, Tuners please look, AEM vs Motech vs Microtech
Originally posted by MalibuJack
Wow.. This is really disturbing.. Does anyone have any input on the Motek unit (E6K or E6X?)
The one thing that appealed to me about the AEM and Autronic was the Plug and Play, which meant very few, if any new sensors, and not hacking up the stock harness.
I consider myself fairly knowledgable, and competant, but because I'm inexperienced in the ECU's specifically, I am taking a wait and see attitude..
So far after hearing all this, I'm inclined to stick with my S-AFC, and S-AVC, and let the base tune be done with Dynoflash and use the S-AFC to make minor adjustments.. (Al, you'll be hearing from me shortly when I finally get the rest of the parts I need to finish my car)
There is one thing that I do feel comfortable with, and that is at those HP Levels, an aftermarket CDI ignition may be your only way to go, but thats just my personal experience with Supercharged V8's, I suspect that no matter what solution you choose, ignition will become an issue no matter which ECU choice you make. (Though I've felt this way from the very beginning, in the "old school" world that I used to live in, an Ignition upgrade was one of the first modifications you would make)
Its not that the Factory ECU or Ignition system isn't good.. Quite the contrary its impressed me way more than any other car I've worked on.. But my car in its current trim (With very few modifications) is ALREADY experiencing misfires, regardless of its the wrong plugs, or gap, it does happen.
I have to admit since my car is a daily driver, I'm not quite on the bleeding edge of all of this but trying to learn as much about the platform from you guys, and taking the bits and pieces that I find valueable and using it in my car.
Obviously I'm not in any way known, or respected as a tuner.. But my gut is telling me that the factory ignition system has a glitch or some other gremlin.
Good luck guys, I feel terrible that you guys end up becoming test mules, but ultimately it benefits ALL of us.. I wish I could be there, no matter how frustrating and expensive, but I'm just a poor I/T grunt who does this as a hobby and very shallow pockets.
Wow.. This is really disturbing.. Does anyone have any input on the Motek unit (E6K or E6X?)
The one thing that appealed to me about the AEM and Autronic was the Plug and Play, which meant very few, if any new sensors, and not hacking up the stock harness.
I consider myself fairly knowledgable, and competant, but because I'm inexperienced in the ECU's specifically, I am taking a wait and see attitude..
So far after hearing all this, I'm inclined to stick with my S-AFC, and S-AVC, and let the base tune be done with Dynoflash and use the S-AFC to make minor adjustments.. (Al, you'll be hearing from me shortly when I finally get the rest of the parts I need to finish my car)
There is one thing that I do feel comfortable with, and that is at those HP Levels, an aftermarket CDI ignition may be your only way to go, but thats just my personal experience with Supercharged V8's, I suspect that no matter what solution you choose, ignition will become an issue no matter which ECU choice you make. (Though I've felt this way from the very beginning, in the "old school" world that I used to live in, an Ignition upgrade was one of the first modifications you would make)
Its not that the Factory ECU or Ignition system isn't good.. Quite the contrary its impressed me way more than any other car I've worked on.. But my car in its current trim (With very few modifications) is ALREADY experiencing misfires, regardless of its the wrong plugs, or gap, it does happen.
I have to admit since my car is a daily driver, I'm not quite on the bleeding edge of all of this but trying to learn as much about the platform from you guys, and taking the bits and pieces that I find valueable and using it in my car.
Obviously I'm not in any way known, or respected as a tuner.. But my gut is telling me that the factory ignition system has a glitch or some other gremlin.
Good luck guys, I feel terrible that you guys end up becoming test mules, but ultimately it benefits ALL of us.. I wish I could be there, no matter how frustrating and expensive, but I'm just a poor I/T grunt who does this as a hobby and very shallow pockets.
All I would like to see is some posting om the aem forum by aem letting us know what they are doing and why we are having this problem
Also hearing that they are using Frank at SFP as their testing department is also very upsetting
I think this comfirms what I have been arguing about with a lot of folks for a long time - - the factory ECU has millions of $$ in development and testing and is a super good platform to work with. When you do a reflash on a high boost car you are limited by the maf sensor , however you CAN get a lot of hp while keeping the car as problem free as a stock car. When you jump to a stand alone you get a little bit more power - a LOT more adjustability - you loose the MAF sesnor - BUT you GAIN lots of stupid little issues and problems and stress
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
Another option you may consider is the HALTECH - Dan at Pruven is an expert on tuning those on 4g63 and they have one on their evo which made almost 700 hp
As for the test mule - maybe they wanted to use that guy nick as the test mule??
I can not believe that didnt tell you that you were one of the first and you were getting an evaluation unit. Dosnt AEM give those out for free????
Seems a bit fishey to me . . . and maybe AEM isnt the only one to blame in your case?????
Another option you may consider is the HALTECH - Dan at Pruven is an expert on tuning those on 4g63 and they have one on their evo which made almost 700 hp
As for the test mule - maybe they wanted to use that guy nick as the test mule??
I can not believe that didnt tell you that you were one of the first and you were getting an evaluation unit. Dosnt AEM give those out for free????
Seems a bit fishey to me . . . and maybe AEM isnt the only one to blame in your case?????
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i think you guys are getting confused with the haltech and motec, haltech has the e6k e6x etc and motec have the M48 M880 etc
the haltecs are about $1400us and the Motec are about $5000us,
yes i have used lots of other systems and tuned lots of other systems (Haltec, Wolf 3d etc)
the microtech is by far the eaiest system to tune, with there windows based software (avaliable from www.microtechefi.com) makes tuning fast and easy, the data logging on the software is awesome.
i would never use any other system on my own car, they work!
the haltecs are about $1400us and the Motec are about $5000us,
yes i have used lots of other systems and tuned lots of other systems (Haltec, Wolf 3d etc)
the microtech is by far the eaiest system to tune, with there windows based software (avaliable from www.microtechefi.com) makes tuning fast and easy, the data logging on the software is awesome.
i would never use any other system on my own car, they work!
u mean the fact you lost a 3000 turbo and possibilty of damage to the whole damn motor which costed an arm and leg? and the whole DOWN time waiting to this and waiting for that?...
yea i can see why u have grown pissed...as am i...
makes the ****ing mad to see you go through these issues... something i dont wish on my worst enemy!
keep you head up Pesto
yea i can see why u have grown pissed...as am i...
makes the ****ing mad to see you go through these issues... something i dont wish on my worst enemy!keep you head up Pesto
NOPE I was told the unit worked..I was told ill have the first one and they were finishing it up thats it...and nick had the one with just the board and not cover etc etc I paid for mine, frank was told they worked when we got my car on the dyno and the car was all done and tuned...aem duped him as well and got alot of free R&D from him...and now im getting more and more pissed at the thought of tearing down my motor to check for metal ...it has mayyyyybe 50 miles on it...Im sure ill get a refund for my aem..Im not that concerned about that....Im more concerned about the other issues
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Originally posted by 10sec_rx7
i think you guys are getting confused with the haltech and motec, haltech has the e6k e6x etc and motec have the M48 M880 etc
the haltecs are about $1400us and the Motec are about $5000us,
yes i have used lots of other systems and tuned lots of other systems (Haltec, Wolf 3d etc)
the microtech is by far the eaiest system to tune, with there windows based software (avaliable from www.microtechefi.com) makes tuning fast and easy, the data logging on the software is awesome.
i would never use any other system on my own car, they work!
i think you guys are getting confused with the haltech and motec, haltech has the e6k e6x etc and motec have the M48 M880 etc
the haltecs are about $1400us and the Motec are about $5000us,
yes i have used lots of other systems and tuned lots of other systems (Haltec, Wolf 3d etc)
the microtech is by far the eaiest system to tune, with there windows based software (avaliable from www.microtechefi.com) makes tuning fast and easy, the data logging on the software is awesome.
i would never use any other system on my own car, they work!
Originally posted by Pesto360
NOPE I was told the unit worked..I was told ill have the first one and they were finishing it up thats it...and nick had the one with just the board and not cover etc etc I paid for mine, frank was told they worked when we got my car on the dyno and the car was all done and tuned...aem duped him as well and got alot of free R&D from him...and now im getting more and more pissed at the thought of tearing down my motor to check for metal ...it has mayyyyybe 50 miles on it...Im sure ill get a refund for my aem..Im not that concerned about that....Im more concerned about the other issues
NOPE I was told the unit worked..I was told ill have the first one and they were finishing it up thats it...and nick had the one with just the board and not cover etc etc I paid for mine, frank was told they worked when we got my car on the dyno and the car was all done and tuned...aem duped him as well and got alot of free R&D from him...and now im getting more and more pissed at the thought of tearing down my motor to check for metal ...it has mayyyyybe 50 miles on it...Im sure ill get a refund for my aem..Im not that concerned about that....Im more concerned about the other issues
Its not fun being used as a test mule - I spent all day taking my head off so I can get the exhuast port re - welded - lucily for me everything else is OK - it just winds up being a lot of work and a lesson to keep the power turned down till AEM gets the ign system fixed
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One cool thing about the microtech is that dash mounted unit and the tuneability without a laptop or with the laptop..the price isnt so bad either...does anyone know for sure if this will work with the evos stock ignition? even with these amp draws over 7200 rpm?
Here is the Microtech site check out the dash mounted unit
www.microtechefi.com
Here is the Microtech site check out the dash mounted unit
www.microtechefi.com
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Originally posted by Pesto360
Does the microtech system process information faster? I believe that was one of the selling points..Is the Microtech plug and play?
Does the microtech system process information faster? I believe that was one of the selling points..Is the Microtech plug and play?
at this stage there is no plug and play for the EVO, i would just wire it into the loom in the car, it would take about 3 hours to install.
the dash units rock, they have built in shift lights etc, display water temp, air temp, battery volts, boost, low oil pressure warning etc.
microtech's have been used on the Mitsu motors for over 5 years down here, they work
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Why do you keep stating your Turbo was destroyed by the AEM. Do you have any evidence to support this? I have a hard time seeing how this could happen; but I'm no expert. Fill us in with your hypothesis
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Originally posted by 5StarSuzuki
Why do you keep stating your Turbo was destroyed by the AEM. Do you have any evidence to support this? I have a hard time seeing how this could happen; but I'm no expert. Fill us in with your hypothesis
Why do you keep stating your Turbo was destroyed by the AEM. Do you have any evidence to support this? I have a hard time seeing how this could happen; but I'm no expert. Fill us in with your hypothesis
Originally posted by 5StarSuzuki
Why do you keep stating your Turbo was destroyed by the AEM. Do you have any evidence to support this? I have a hard time seeing how this could happen; but I'm no expert. Fill us in with your hypothesis
Why do you keep stating your Turbo was destroyed by the AEM. Do you have any evidence to support this? I have a hard time seeing how this could happen; but I'm no expert. Fill us in with your hypothesis
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
The aem unit misfires and back fires so badly that it literally blew a hole in my heads's exhuast port into the coolant jacket - I could esily see how this could damage a turbo
The aem unit misfires and back fires so badly that it literally blew a hole in my heads's exhuast port into the coolant jacket - I could esily see how this could damage a turbo
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The turbo should be inspected but a sure sign of a compressor stall on a turbo is to hold the exhaust side impeller and try to turn the inlet side impeller, if you can or the nut is actually loose you can be almost sure a missfire caused it. even if something goes through a turbo like a nut or bolt the inlet compressor wheel will still be tight but almost destroyed and even the shaft bent. I have had a lot of experience with turbo 's on high boost situations and failures. Lets see what the turbo says. But YES a miss firing engine can cause turbo failure.
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The turbo should be inspected but a sure sign of a compressor stall on a turbo is to hold the exhaust side impeller and try to turn the inlet side impeller, if you can or the nut is actually loose you can be almost sure a missfire caused it. even if something goes through a turbo like a nut or bolt the inlet compressor wheel will still be tight but almost destroyed and even the shaft bent. I have had a lot of experience with turbo 's on high boost situations and failures. Lets see what the turbo says. But YES a miss firing engine can cause turbo failure.
Max
