How long are the fp blacks lasting??
I think when you mention this, you need to mention that your FP Black is a custom made single scroll one, NOT an off the shelf model. Not hating, Just saying 
To the OP, like Mikey has said, they can last a good amount of time if you take the proper precautions, but you also need to realize that these are performance parts and performance parts never last as long as OEM. If you want OEM longevity, then stay with OEM turbos.
To the OP, like Mikey has said, they can last a good amount of time if you take the proper precautions, but you also need to realize that these are performance parts and performance parts never last as long as OEM. If you want OEM longevity, then stay with OEM turbos.
Well put!
Mikey
I think when you mention this, you need to mention that your FP Black is a custom made single scroll one, NOT an off the shelf model. Not hating, Just saying
To the OP, like Mikey has said, they can last a good amount of time if you take the proper precautions, but you also need to realize that these are performance parts and performance parts never last as long as OEM. If you want OEM longevity, then stay with OEM turbos.
To the OP, like Mikey has said, they can last a good amount of time if you take the proper precautions, but you also need to realize that these are performance parts and performance parts never last as long as OEM. If you want OEM longevity, then stay with OEM turbos.
I completely understand that. I know the turbo wont last 100k+ like the stock turbos. I just seen the 2yrs expectancy and thought,
@k on a turbo that you get like 2 years out of? I am assuming this might be from guys that drag only with the turbo?
Mikey
If you have not read this, you should. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...rth-doing.html
Also the venders that tell you that you don't need it, call them back and ask them if they know that the evo fills 2 quarts of oil in the head on 2-step without one.
No oil in the pan = unhappy bearings and turbo. For 170 the HLA is well worth the money. The HLA also increases oil pressure which is a plus for all motors, espesially the stock motor running oil squarters. There is a lot of data to back it up Rock, no one is shooting from the hip here. 90% of drag cars have them. The oil pan is a good addition too, but a bit more $ unless you send Bushur your pan to mod. I honestly recommend both to my customers.
Just to name some vendors that recommed the HLA on most cars are:
English Racing
Bushur Racing
Kiggly Racing (One of the fastest 4G63 in the world)
STM
AWD
MAPerformance
Sounds like some reputable shops to me.
Mikey
Also the venders that tell you that you don't need it, call them back and ask them if they know that the evo fills 2 quarts of oil in the head on 2-step without one.
No oil in the pan = unhappy bearings and turbo. For 170 the HLA is well worth the money. The HLA also increases oil pressure which is a plus for all motors, espesially the stock motor running oil squarters. There is a lot of data to back it up Rock, no one is shooting from the hip here. 90% of drag cars have them. The oil pan is a good addition too, but a bit more $ unless you send Bushur your pan to mod. I honestly recommend both to my customers. Just to name some vendors that recommed the HLA on most cars are:
English Racing
Bushur Racing
Kiggly Racing (One of the fastest 4G63 in the world)
STM
AWD
MAPerformance
Sounds like some reputable shops to me.
Mikey
I would definitely recommend both.
If you're racing or running the car hard, run the oil 1 quart high too.
They can handle a decent amount of stress giving the fact they are using a stock center section. Same applies for all other aftermarket stock frame turbos. Mikey
And what do you mean by "Shaft or seal" ?
Cheers, Mike
All aftermarket stock frame turbos use the stock Mitsu center section from the Evo IX. The center section is the middle of the turbo where the turbine wheel and compressor wheels are connected by a shaft (turbine shaft). The center section is also where the oil and coolant lines connect to the turbo.
The turbine shaft slides through the center section and connects to the compressor wheel on the intake side of the turbo. Inside the center section is a journal bearing and thin layer of oil that lubercates the shaft/bearing. A common problem for aftermarket stock frame turbo tends to be damaging that shaft due to over spinning the turbo. (How many rpms the shaft is turning) Also oil contamination and/or oil starvation! This is why I always recommend the Kiggly HLA and a modified oil pan or AMS pan to eliminate the possibility of oil starvation.
The seal that I am talking about is the one on the turbine side. That seal is greatly effected by high EGTs and over time of excessive EGTs will begin to leak. If you have ever seen a turbo hotside/02 housing full of oil, that came from a turbo seal failure.
Sorry if that does all make sense 100% but I have been upr for almost 36 hours and after I post this I'm going to bed.
Mike, I'll go ahead and quote your post because their are some nice pictures in there. However I don't agree with everything in that post, but you know what I'm talking about Mike and we will leave it at that.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...rt-before.htmlHave a great day guys.
Mikey out!
Mikey how many rebuilds have you had on your black ? I was under the impression it was taken off the car immediatly after your record setting run and rebuilt again?
I'm really hopeful that the stock frame companies find a way to fit a BB upgrade on their offerings and keep the costs resonable , all the oil lines, oil pressure tinkering , baffled oil pans just to make a turbo last ''2 years'' isnt very acceptable.
I'm really hopeful that the stock frame companies find a way to fit a BB upgrade on their offerings and keep the costs resonable , all the oil lines, oil pressure tinkering , baffled oil pans just to make a turbo last ''2 years'' isnt very acceptable.
Mikey how many rebuilds have you had on your black ? I was under the impression it was taken off the car immediatly after your record setting run and rebuilt again?
I'm really hopeful that the stock frame companies find a way to fit a BB upgrade on their offerings and keep the costs resonable , all the oil lines, oil pressure tinkering , baffled oil pans just to make a turbo last ''2 years'' isnt very acceptable.
I'm really hopeful that the stock frame companies find a way to fit a BB upgrade on their offerings and keep the costs resonable , all the oil lines, oil pressure tinkering , baffled oil pans just to make a turbo last ''2 years'' isnt very acceptable.
This $2000 turbo turns into almost a ~$2700 investment, once you get the kiggly regulator, baffled oil pan and their oil line. Not to mention the special oils you have to order to use in the black. I fully understand the "you have to pay, to play" quote, but after research it just seems like a waste to throw soo much money into a turbo that I wont use to its full potential on the stock bottom end. Maybe the black just isnt for me?
Seems like a lot for a guy that just wants a beast on the streets, yet takes it to the dragstrip maybe once a month for a friday fun night lol.
You should buy the turbo and when it blows in 2 years send it to Owens Development and get the full BB treatment and internal heat shield 
. Sounds like a win-win situation to me!
. Sounds like a win-win situation to me!