FINALLY!! FP dual bb Black
So you would buy a BB Black and use all of the stock stuff (exhaust manifold, o2 housing, downpipe, intake?). Doing that would severely choke that turbo.
DAMN!! I maybe going back to black!
Hopefully during christmas time, FP can run 3 turbos accross the same car to get a basic idea of power potential of all 3 variants while targeting ~28-30psi......
as far as upgrades go, i guess its only possible if the BB cartridge is designed to slide onto/over/work with the existing JB turbine shaft dimesions....otherwise be preppared to pony up something shy of a new FP BB turbo.
Hopefully during christmas time, FP can run 3 turbos accross the same car to get a basic idea of power potential of all 3 variants while targeting ~28-30psi......
as far as upgrades go, i guess its only possible if the BB cartridge is designed to slide onto/over/work with the existing JB turbine shaft dimesions....otherwise be preppared to pony up something shy of a new FP BB turbo.
Last edited by Aby@MIL.SPEC; Aug 25, 2011 at 11:53 AM.
If there wasnt a problem with the original product. they would not have changed it to the permanent fix of ball bearing .
Yes . I do thank them for making a sweet turbo.. But on the other end they are well aware of how they have the market by the *****.
We have no other choice but to follow thier guidelines or were out of a turbo.
Now with the new turbo i doubt they'll have the same quidelines since the product is fixed.
btw. ive seen the failures of this turbo at 36psi .. well under the (spin the hell out of it range)
Yes . I do thank them for making a sweet turbo.. But on the other end they are well aware of how they have the market by the *****.
We have no other choice but to follow thier guidelines or were out of a turbo.
Now with the new turbo i doubt they'll have the same quidelines since the product is fixed.
btw. ive seen the failures of this turbo at 36psi .. well under the (spin the hell out of it range)
I recently had a customer who installed his own turbo locally and with the feed kit and filter.. When his Black blew and i sent it to FP and brian sent me pics of what he dumped out of the turbo i told the customer there is NO WAY he had the filter kit on the car.. he swore he did and towed the car in here.. He said you see the line kit is used and on the car.. I thought ok let me pull the filter apart.. come to find out he NEVER INSTALLED THE FILTER ELEMENT.. Now if i didnt open it do you think my customer would admit he didnt install the element?? NO he wouldnt.. 99% wont..
As far as having everyone by the *****.. You can buy what ever you want.. Blue turbos, HKS and tomei turbos and now EF turbos.. Nobody has anyone by the *****.. What they have is a thoroughly tested product with REAL WORLD RESULTS behind them before they release them.. They dont allow retail customers to do R&D for them.. We do R&D and they do in house R&D and for 18 months before ever releasing these..
1800 turbo
50.00 turbo manifold
300.00 wastegate
100.00 downpipe
50.00 dumptube
100 LICP
100 Lines and Fittings
I'm with Mike on this one - my Black has never let me down, super reliable and I'm sure theres countless other examples out there. Tards on the internet can make anything fail. I bet half the people don't even check their oil 
I'm really happy Robert listened to what people wanted and gave it to us. Those that want it will pay for it, simple as that.
I'm really happy Robert listened to what people wanted and gave it to us. Those that want it will pay for it, simple as that.
I asked if there was a fix for any of the issues the people were having , because to my understanding theres to much load on the bearing . I was told that the problems were related to the oil that was used. Nothing was mentioned whether they were in developemnt of the new setup.
I understand that until full testing is completed they cannot really release comments to the public.
Its more that it would have been nicer to have a notice that they were in development to an alternative for longevity .
Spending 2k on a turbo that "might possibly last 2 years " Is a little hard to swallow.
Weve all seen garrett turbos with year of use and thousands upon thousands of miles survive harsh usage.
A personal friend did 80k miles on a 35r and he purchased it third hand.
Im sure every single one of the guys that purchased this turbo in the last 4 months would have considered waiting if they knew the ball bearing option was a few months away.
Once again.. I thank fp for the awesome turbo they have created but i just feel they couldve taken a different path of action.
If my turbo blows i will most definately be getting the bb black .. it just hurts to think ill have 4500 tied into the same turbo .
I understand that until full testing is completed they cannot really release comments to the public.
Its more that it would have been nicer to have a notice that they were in development to an alternative for longevity .
Spending 2k on a turbo that "might possibly last 2 years " Is a little hard to swallow.
Weve all seen garrett turbos with year of use and thousands upon thousands of miles survive harsh usage.
A personal friend did 80k miles on a 35r and he purchased it third hand.
Im sure every single one of the guys that purchased this turbo in the last 4 months would have considered waiting if they knew the ball bearing option was a few months away.
Once again.. I thank fp for the awesome turbo they have created but i just feel they couldve taken a different path of action.
If my turbo blows i will most definately be getting the bb black .. it just hurts to think ill have 4500 tied into the same turbo .
You can also look at it from this point of view.. It has been announced months ahead of time because as many as we have already sold and with the supply that is on hand there will be people waiting months to get theirs anyway..
I'm with Mike on this one - my Black has never let me down, super reliable and I'm sure theres countless other examples out there. Tards on the internet can make anything fail. I bet half the people don't even check their oil I'm really happy Robert listened to what people wanted and gave it to us. Those that want it will pay for it, simple as that.
I'm really happy Robert listened to what people wanted and gave it to us. Those that want it will pay for it, simple as that.
I have had the JB Red on my car for over 2 years at over 30psi now with the inline filter, the damn thing survived even after catostophic engine failure and has been performing flawlessly now on a 2.4 at 35 psi! Mike knows how much material was in that pan when we pulled it off 
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Obviously no one can say for sure but given time and volume sales FP may be able to capitalise on economies of scale and make things a little easier at the counter .
I expect that a LOT of money and time went into making these units a reality and where I am 500 more for a reliable ball bearing center section is good buying .
If I was developing something like this I would not be trying too hard to make the turbine shaft a std MHI size , particularly if the turbine is a bit of a special not off some manufacturers shelf .
I know its inconvenient to those wanting to play with the things but why would a successful business want to make it easy for the copy cats to cash in on their development dollars and market .
I just hope that "smallish" for an Evo turbo turbines are going to be available in the FP BB center section , ie the TD06SL2 or similar so that we can have modest flow upgrades for the bolt on brigade that dont wan't 5000 hp or spend on engine internals to avoid blows ups - mild performance .
I'm going to assume these will fly and when they do all we could ever want for in a bolt on RR turbo is maybe a purpose built/cast Evo style TD06 TS IW turbine housing .
Cheers A .
I expect that a LOT of money and time went into making these units a reality and where I am 500 more for a reliable ball bearing center section is good buying .
If I was developing something like this I would not be trying too hard to make the turbine shaft a std MHI size , particularly if the turbine is a bit of a special not off some manufacturers shelf .
I know its inconvenient to those wanting to play with the things but why would a successful business want to make it easy for the copy cats to cash in on their development dollars and market .
I just hope that "smallish" for an Evo turbo turbines are going to be available in the FP BB center section , ie the TD06SL2 or similar so that we can have modest flow upgrades for the bolt on brigade that dont wan't 5000 hp or spend on engine internals to avoid blows ups - mild performance .
I'm going to assume these will fly and when they do all we could ever want for in a bolt on RR turbo is maybe a purpose built/cast Evo style TD06 TS IW turbine housing .
Cheers A .
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Great to hear from Random Members.. I could use our tuner derek as an example of 40psi for 2 years on his black but he works here so its nice to hear from some others.. trust me if they werent as good as they are they would not be #1 in Stock frame turbos sales.. And ill just guess they are in the #1 spot by a long shot.. Ill bet they sell more stock frame turbos then the next 3 manufacturers combined.. and for good reason.. Robert is an enthusiast as much as a business man and he does listen to what we ask for..
We have run both turbos at 33-35psi daily and have never had any issues! USER ERROR is why 95% of anything mechanical fails! I know of a shop in the Denver area that was blowing up Reds and Blacks just about every time they installed one.. We found out that the shop didn believe in the newer oil line and tried bolstering HP numbers by turning up the boost to the 40 psi range.
I can' t wait to see pricing on Red BB upgrade! I also can't decide if its worth it to convert the Red back to Blk but BB!?!... Damn u FP! LOL
CHUCK
