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Old May 1, 2012 | 05:26 PM
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By looking at pics, I see detonation. Check your injectors and have someone look at your tuned map. Good luck
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Old May 1, 2012 | 05:36 PM
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Pay david, send him your map, see what he has to say about the tune. Sounds like a good option at this point.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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For God's sake, YOU NEED A MOTHER ****ING TUNER THAT'S WORTH A ****. WHAT PART OF ****ING DETONATION DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

I've said it too many times before, some people simply can NOT be helped.

Yes, change the pistons to a different design, GREAT ****ING idea. Then have the same dumb *** tune it again too............both the dumb asses you already had do it actually.
Wow, one of your customers buys a $5000 motor from you and that's how you reply to them... I'm amazed how you stay in business! There's no doubt that you put out an excellent product but you should seriously consider investing in a customer service or PR division! Anyone who buys your product is probably just as passionate about cars as your are, but likely not as experienced. If your only interested in selling your product to the most experienced builders then keep doing what your doing! Otherwise, consider changing your approach. As someone who is a relative novice, customer service is my highest priority. That being said, I can't see myself ever purchasing a product from you based on your responses here alone. I'm sure you'll have another negative response to this which will only further validate my point! Good luck in your future endeavors, I hope you take this as constructive critisim.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 05:45 PM
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Stock ECU, and I never replaced the MIVEC gear. I was speaking with a couple people about the MIVEC gear though and we were thinking the car would be knocking more consistently or drive odd if the timing wasn't right regularly. Something for me to look into though now..
Actually it was the opposite for me, Knock was very inconsistent. It never knocked in the same spot twice, always different. Also the car was down on power, but drove well even with 1650cc injectors. The car went 10.0s also with a bad gear and the mivec not functioning at all. My gear actually would lock and then unlock out of know where.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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Found your problem...


Originally Posted by CtSilver03Evo
The car was then re-tuned by John at The Shop (who I enjoyed working with very much).

I let that little ***** tune my car right around this time last year. Shame on me for not doing more research. I was never happy with the tune, and every time I asked him for help, my calls were either ignored, or answered with some kind of arrogant attitude.

I don't play that ****, I've been in the game far too long. I'm sure he can fool kids into thinking he's the new t00ning god, but after 10 minutes of my own research, it was clear that he was clueless. Kid did not even know you could datalog AFR thru the stock ecu...

Oh, and he locked my tune without my knowledge or approval. Keep in mind that I live 4 hours from "The Shop"....not exactly around the corner if I need to make a change.

Using TSCOMPUSA now with EXCELLENT Results. Making more power, and making it safer.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 06:02 PM
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Wow, one of your customers buys a $5000 motor from you and that's how you reply to them... I'm amazed how you stay in business! There's no doubt that you put out an excellent product but you should seriously consider investing in a customer service or PR division! Anyone who buys your product is probably just as passionate about cars as your are, but likely not as experienced. If your only interested in selling your product to the most experienced builders then keep doing what your doing! Otherwise, consider changing your approach. As someone who is a relative novice, customer service is my highest priority. That being said, I can't see myself ever purchasing a product from you based on your responses here alone. I'm sure you'll have another negative response to this which will only further validate my point! Good luck in your future endeavors, I hope you take this as constructive critisim.
Here lies the problem, genius. If you read this thread this blowing head gaskets, water pump gaskets, freeze plugs has been going on for awhile. I have helped MANY times already. Trying to tell him what was going on, check the tune etc. Then this thread gets posted and I am asked to give my opinion yet again, after I was already 100% sure of the problem. I then took the time to type out yet another response to explain it is detonation and the tune needed fixed and was told "I have one of the best tuners working on the car."

So yes, I am rude. You answer the same damn questions for 23 years and give your opinion that is 100% spot on and have customers tell you that you are wrong.........let me know how long it takes you to get rude. Don't judge until you've been in my shoes and know the entire story.

Obviously being polite isn't working out here, maybe some ****ing swearing will get the point across. Maybe not.

You want sugar coating or you want real parts and facts? That's what we do, you want the sugar go to Keebler.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 06:03 PM
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Just looked at the pics the plug cracked from detonation and one of the cylinders got so hot it melted the piston. If you kept driving it you would of completely melted the motor. The person i trust at the shop for a tune is Kenny no one else.

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Old May 1, 2012 | 06:15 PM
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What are acceptable EGT's under normal driving and under full boost? The car had an EGT gauge in it since I got it, and I know how to read my AEM AF gauge.

David- I am not questioning your knowledge, but since I like to learn, please help me understand this: Why is is that the two pistons that fried have detonation on the intake side and exhaust side of the cylinder walls, and the two good pistons (1, 3) have glass-like surfaces on the cylinder walls?

Again, please make it clear I am not arguing with you, I am asking for my own knowledge and clarification. I would have assumed I have two partially clogged injectors based on this.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 06:33 PM
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So yes, I am rude. You answer the same damn questions for 23 years and give your opinion that is 100% spot on and have customers tell you that you are wrong.........let me know how long it takes you to get rude. Don't judge until you've been in my shoes and know the entire story.

You want sugar coating or you want real parts and facts? That's what we do, you want the sugar go to Keebler.

And honestly as a seasoned member here and through all the BS I've seen over the years here. This post alone comforts me that finally when my 140k mile OEM block/tranny/tc give up their ghosts. I will look no where else but to BR. Love it or leave it but the "No BS just results" works for me.

I have no doubt that if OP would speak with Dave and come up with a POA to get this car back together life would be for him
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Old May 1, 2012 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CtSilver03Evo
What are acceptable EGT's under normal driving and under full boost? The car had an EGT gauge in it since I got it, and I know how to read my AEM AF gauge.

David- I am not questioning your knowledge, but since I like to learn, please help me understand this: Why is is that the two pistons that fried have detonation on the intake side and exhaust side of the cylinder walls, and the two good pistons (1, 3) have glass-like surfaces on the cylinder walls?

Again, please make it clear I am not arguing with you, I am asking for my own knowledge and clarification. I would have assumed I have two partially clogged injectors based on this.
Reality is far from an ideal "perfect" scenario. In a perfect world, all 4 cylinders would get the same amount of fuel and AIR. Reality says different. When you sport a crap tune like the one you are running, the weakest link will give up first.........
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Old May 1, 2012 | 06:46 PM
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nobody knows 100% if its the tune or not. until the injectors get flowed its all a wild guess. would a different tuner noticed bad injectors? probably. but until we have all the details there is no use in pointing fingers. my point about the pistons is that its a failure point. if there wasnt detonation they wouldnt have went, but detonation happens. for the same reason you drop the ringlands, that edge should be removed.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by David Buschur
For God's sake, YOU NEED A MOTHER ****ING TUNER THAT'S WORTH A ****.
I can think of a few other tuners in his area if he chooses to go elsewhere
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Old May 1, 2012 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CtSilver03Evo
What are acceptable EGT's under normal driving and under full boost? The car had an EGT gauge in it since I got it, and I know how to read my AEM AF gauge.
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What i know is you shouldnt see more than 1650~1700 at WOT.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 07:53 PM
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What i know is you shouldnt see more than 1650~1700 at WOT.
but if he had 2 partially clogged injectors he would have 2 at 800* and 2 at 2,000*.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by David Buschur
Here lies the problem, genius. If you read this thread this blowing head gaskets, water pump gaskets, freeze plugs has been going on for awhile. I have helped MANY times already. Trying to tell him what was going on, check the tune etc. Then this thread gets posted and I am asked to give my opinion yet again, after I was already 100% sure of the problem. I then took the time to type out yet another response to explain it is detonation and the tune needed fixed and was told "I have one of the best tuners working on the car."

So yes, I am rude. You answer the same damn questions for 23 years and give your opinion that is 100% spot on and have customers tell you that you are wrong.........let me know how long it takes you to get rude. Don't judge until you've been in my shoes and know the entire story.

Obviously being polite isn't working out here, maybe some ****ing swearing will get the point across. Maybe not.

You want sugar coating or you want real parts and facts? That's what we do, you want the sugar go to Keebler.
David,

I did read the thread and I'm not suggesting your incorrect about it being the tune...after all, you obviously know what your doing when it comes to these cars. It could also very well be the injectors, which maybe the tuner should have picked up on. Either way, my point was it was never about the information, just the delivery.

For whatever reason, you seem to be very jaded and defensive, maybe you've just been in the game too long. Maybe next time you'll offer better advice to one of your customers other than just telling them they have a "****ty tune"...maybe not.

Genius-
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