im considering the bbk bbb-c or whatever because of its great spool up and big power. the only thing is that after about 30,000 miles its gonna be worn out and it cant be rebuilt so id probably have to replace it for another $2,500.

i could go with an ets twin scroll t4 unit and put on a gt3582r it would be laggier but have a bit more top end and cost another $1000. it would last about as long as the bbk unit but i could replace it for $1,700.

i daily drive my car and i plan to keep it for a very long time, i am currently on a 2.0 liter stock bottom end with gsc s2's and gsc valvetrain. i plan to upgrade to a 2.4 LR setup early next year.

i dont like lagg and would ideally like the torque to peak at 4,000 (on the 2.4) or shortly after thats why i was looking at the stock frame but if its gonna cost me alot more money id rather sacrifice some lag instead .

what do you guys think would be the best option?

 

FP red or black are probably going to be your best options when it comes to spool with top end. A 30R after those would probably be your best bet as far as T3 setup goes. It's going to be hard to get peak torque by 4000 rpm on a stock 2.0.

 

i didnt go further in me first post sorry. i plan to upgrade to a 2.4 LR setup in the next year or so. a 30r is definitely out of the question as far as turbos go, its very rare to see one at 600 and even then its being pushed past its limits.

i also feel that the bbk units use better internals then their forced performance counterparts.

 

a 2.4?

as they say, "once you go black..."

but cost wise, t3 may be smarter.

 

I wouldn't consider a stock frame turbo, unless I lived in ****-ville (california).
600 Hp from even the black is going to be pounding it. They have their place though, stealth...
A 2.4 and an 35r variety turbo will be a potent package.
Although top end is wayyyy more enjoyable to me than low end.

 

On what fuel?

Pumpgas will never get you to 600whp on a stock frame

Pump/Meth.....eh maybe on a big motor with some pretty specific mods

Racegas/E85, all day long

Any T3 35R will get you there one way or another. I made 588 at 23psi on 92 octane with one of our LR2.4s, ported head, Magnus V5, and ETS turbo kit with a FP3586. The cams made alot of difference of course and I cant say enough about GSC

 

Making 600 on an fp black is easily done if you have the motor to handle it. Your stocks rods won't appreciate that much torque.

 

i think anyone that daily drives their car would hate a stock frame turbo at that power level after a month of driving. no lag is great but once you start paying for the wasted gas it will get old. im just under 600 on my dd 35r and i dont think i would go back to stock frame. yes it has more lag but i think it works better for dd as i only use the power when i want to since im not boosting until 4k. parts last longer.

 

you have a good point which makes me keep my 35r @ evoxsi

 

T3 - Skip the stock frame stuff. It's not worth the amount of stress it causes to the motor to make the power your looking for.

Aaron@ER is a prime example of a T3 setup.

thanks!

Michael

 

Since you seem to already have an interest in the CBRD products, take a look at the LMP kit. Check out my threads, I posted up graphs from 2 seperate cars, one using the 3076rb and one using the 33rb. Both are barely breaking a sweat and are at 550 whp/VD and varying torque on 93 oct.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ve...-reviewed.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...d-density.html

 

To the best of my knowledge CBRD and FP both use Garrett ball bearing center cartridges.

With that said, I wouldn't go stock frame for all of the reasons listed above.

If you set up an efficient T3 kit it will spool like a Black if not faster.

Ie GTX3582 w/ .63 or .82 hotside with a SMALL TUBE manifold, or a HAFE cast unit. It will make more torque and spool faster and only falls off up top over ~700whp (the manifold, that is). You will have much more room to make power on pump gas, too, as stated above.

 

Good Looking Out!

 

both of those cars have some serious lag, i dont want to have little to no power until 5,000 rpm.

i'd like to go with a twin scroll manifold if im going big, so i'd probably go the 1.04 t4 ts hotside if garrett

im torn between e85 and 93/meth because i heard that the price of e85 is going to be crazy so its not even worth building the fuel system to run it.

 

Its only stressful to the engine if the tq is peek at lower rpms. With that said you are gonna get just as much lag as a larger turbo so with that said I hate to say it I love your stuff but I totally disagree with ya Michael. With that said why not go stock frame with 600 hp?