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Old Nov 18, 2012 | 10:04 AM
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Help with Extensive mod purchase

My current mods are (I know suspension mods only slightly matter towards power);

  • Kakimoto Racing Turboback exhaust W/DP
  • Tein HA coilovers w/pillow-ball mounts (Tein MonoFlex's on their way)
  • EBC BS pads
  • Unknown F/R sway bars (Pretty thick compared to others I have seen.)(Blue in color.)
  • Unknown 4 Point front Under-brace (Again blue in color I am thinking possibly Megan or cusco possibly.)
  • JDM Trunk cross-member bar
  • Apexi CAI w/Apexi Power intake cone filter
  • JDM IC sprayer
  • Synapse Synchronic BOV (Running Recirculated)
  • Blitz Dual SBC Type-R
  • HKS turbo timer
  • JDM stock Voltage, Oil temp, Boost gauge set
  • 426g Flossy grip rob shift knob, Momo steering wheel, Recaro front seats
  • Improperly installed HID's which i intend to change out (They have this aqua/teal glow after lights have been turned off.)


    I was just about to Order;

    Brian Crower Cams Stage 2 272/272
    Brian Crower Single Valvesprings and Ti Retainers
    HKS Fine Tune Timing Belt
    Walbro 255 In Tank Fuel Pump with Setup Kit
    Tomei or HKS Adjustable Cam Pulleys
    AEM High Volume Fuel Rail
    1000CC Injector Dynamics ID1000
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    Tomei Procam 270/270 Cams
    GSC Beehive 80lb Valvesprings and Ti Retainers
    HKS Fine Tune Timing Belt
    Walbro 255 In Tank Fuel Pump with Setup Kit
    Tomei or HKS Adjustable Cam Pulleys
    AEM High Volume Fuel Rail
    1000CC Injector Dynamics ID1000
I was also going to order a;

Tomei 173017 M7960 ARMS Turbo Kit
Evo6 ECU
& HKS Ful IC piping kit
Along with these but cannot get enough information on how both of there similar but different set-ups may work.

If anyone can clarify what set i should go with or a combo of both along with the 3 items down bottom would be great I still want to be about to DD without any problems but also street & slightly track with them as well. From my research all these parts are compatible highly regarded parts and that's where my knowledge ends as I have never really had the opportunity to work with turbo cars, so I want to make sure everything i picked out with net me some performance gains with an Evo6 ECU and a proper tune.

Thnaks for your help in advance looking forward to hearing peoples feedback, Also if anyone sees anything i should add let me know as well as i feel like i am missing something.

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Old Nov 18, 2012 | 10:53 AM
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Don't buy the BC 272 cams, ain't the best cams around. If I to suggest a brand, I'd say go for the Kelfords 272s, proved to produce significant mid/high-end power. The Tomei 7960 is a good turbo, not a fast spooler, but once it starts spooling it would reach peekl boost relatively fast. Other suggestions, within the same size would be the HKS GTII 7460 & the new ball bearing FP Green. I think the ID injectors would have to come with their own rail, so, no need for the AEM.
I suggest that you install a larger intercooler, I highly recommend that you install aftermarket engine internals, The E4 stock internals would NOT cope with a larger turbo/boost levels.
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Old Nov 18, 2012 | 11:10 AM
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Kelford cams, Kiggly valvetrain
HKS timing belts are good, but gates are fine w/out the money
Just do a Walbro 400 and never run out of fuel....
ID or FIC, unless you are going to run ethanol.. then DO NOT GET FIC

EF3 or HKS 7640
ETS Piping - if they offer for yours
*and just like foxbat mentioned above, if you are going to do everything as mentioned, then make sure internals are done.
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Old Nov 18, 2012 | 11:57 AM
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S1 or S2 cams evo9 80 series will see you good as far as the stock 4 eng
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Old Nov 18, 2012 | 12:18 PM
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GSC or Kelford cams
GSC Beehive springs / ti retainers

trash that timing belt, and get OEM timing belt
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Old Nov 18, 2012 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by foxbat
Don't buy the BC 272 cams, ain't the best cams around. If I to suggest a brand, I'd say go for the Kelfords 272s, proved to produce significant mid/high-end power. The Tomei 7960 is a good turbo, not a fast spooler, but once it starts spooling it would reach peekl boost relatively fast. Other suggestions, within the same size would be the HKS GTII 7460 & the new ball bearing FP Green. I think the ID injectors would have to come with their own rail, so, no need for the AEM.
I suggest that you install a larger intercooler, I highly recommend that you install aftermarket engine internals, The E4 stock internals would NOT cope with a larger turbo/boost levels.

So would either of these set-up's be any better?

GSC Power-Division S1 268/268 Cams
GSC Beehive 80lb Valvesprings and Ti Retainers
AEM Tru-Time Adjustable Cam Gears
Gates Racing Kevlar Timing Belt
Walbro 255 In Tank Fuel Pump with Setup Kit
1000CC Injector Dynamics Injectors
AEM High Volume Fuel Rail

OR

Kelford Cams 272/272 Camshafts
GSC Beehive 80lb Valvesprings and Ti Retainers
AEM Tru-Time Adjustable Cam Gears
Gates Racing Kevlar Timing Belt
Walbro 255 In Tank Fuel Pump with Setup Kit
1000CC Injector Dynamics Injectors
AEM High Volume Fuel Rail

Either set-up i get will be going with a;

FP GREEN 73HTA Turbocharger (Ported)
Greddy Intercooler Kit - Spec LS
Evo6 ECU
HKS Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold


As for Internals like you were saying I hate to seem like a NOOB but are you talking about bearings, valves, pistons, rods, crank etc.? (I consider Cams etc. to be internal as well so forgive my stupidity)

If so would these be sufficient as I am not looking for super crazy HP and I am on somewhat of a budget, I was looking at these and wouldn't mind some feedback.

ACL Race Bearings 7-Bolt
Manley Race Series Valves
Wiseco Pistons
Eagle Rods
Manley 4340 Forged Crank

If these are not what you are talking about please reiterate as i am still not sure exactly what you mean.

Lastly, If all of these parts are what I need, will i need anything else besides a tune? or am i good to go to order these parts and start installing for spring?

Thanks for all the help already it is much appreciated.

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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 09:23 AM
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Cams: S1s are more suited for stock or near stock sized turbo, don't require springs/retainer upgrade. Kelfords 272, work better with a larger turbo, (mid to high end power) no need to buy retainers, just get some good springs.
Engine internals, pistons (Wisecos are excellent), con rods & bearings. No need to get a crank unless you plan to increase engine capacity. It would be a good idea to get an ARP head stud kit.
Exhaust manifold: Save some money & have your stock mani ported, it's more durable than any stainless manifold, otherwise, I'd suggest the Tomei mani, you'd get to keep your SAS pipework which can later be enabled through the stock ECU.
Again, I'm almost positive that the ID injectors require ID rail, so, no need for the AEM rail.
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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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You don't need adjustable cam gears in the newer evos, not sure about your model. ETS Intercooler and pipes. Add an O2 housing or dump. If you want more power a ported intake wouldn't hurt. MAP rev 3 intake.
But like everyone said, all that will put you out of your engines safe zone.
Oh and don't forget your going to need a clutch to hold all that power.
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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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So would this set-up along with the mods in 1st post be fine for me to not blow my engine(with a tune) but get a nice power boost without going retarded on the modding?(I do not want to go all out)

After reading every body's input this is what I have come up with this list;

I can get all of this at the one time to save money shipping and I will also get a crazy discount,

Kelford Cams 272/272 Camshafts
GSC Beehive 80lb Valvesprings and Ti Retainers (retainers come with the kit)
AEM Tru-Time Adjustable Cam Gears
Gates Racing Kevlar Timing Belt
Walbro 255 In Tank Fuel Pump with Setup Kit
1000CC Injector Dynamics Injectors
Wiseco Pistons Manley H Beam Rods
ACL Race Bearings 7-Bolt
Manley Race Series Valves
ARP Headstuds 7-Bolt

Along with an;

E5/E6 ECU when I find one

Greddy Intercooler Kit - Spec LS (I cannot find an ETS kit other then other one for E8/E9 and not sure if it will fit) http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/E...ooler-Kit.html
http://www.rhdjapan.com/trust-greddy...p9a-ct9a-54137

Tomei 193083 Expreme Exhaust Manifold---(Our car meet group is doing a group buy in the next 2-3 week and i can get this for about $100-$150 off)
http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-193083-...3_p_18312.html

Exedy twin plate clutch not really sure on this

If I am missing anything or to much is there, feel free to add or remove.

My main concern is will my stock ECU be able to handle any of these changes Where the evo4 ecu is (unmapable/flash-able/tunable as far as I know) or will I have to wait to get a E5 or E6 ECU before adding these parts. Also If i have to get the new ECU which of these upgrades can I do/would be most beneficial in the process, while searching for a new ECU.

As for the 02 dump I am pretty positive there is already one on the DP of my exhaust if thats what you are talking about.

Lastly thanks again for the help, I posted this expecting people to come talking **** (Like NAISOC :P) telling me to read forums and the "Sticky's" when the fact is I have done as much research reading as I can and at this point i just need general help where i am not to familiar to turbo'd vehicles.

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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 05:52 PM
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You'd definitely need a flashable ECU for the turbo/injectors, E6 is your best choice since it's 100% compatible with E4 harness.
Make sure you get the correct bearing model for your engine, E4 bearings are similar to E3/DSM (build-in thrust bearings) & different to E5-E9 bearings.
For 400hp range you'd need at least a metal clutch (Exedy stage2) but it's not comfortable for daily driving, the Exedy twin clutch is the best choice, but much more expensive.

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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by foxbat
You'd definitely need a flashable ECU for the turbo/injectors, E6 is your best choice since it's 100% compatible with E4 harness.
Make sure you get the correct bearing model for your engine, E4 bearings are similar to E3/DSM (build-in thrust bearings) & different to E5-E9 bearings.
For 400hp range you'd need at least a metal clutch (Exedy stage2) but it's not comfortable for daily driving, the Exedy twin clutch is the best choice, but much more expensive.
I assume the set-up i mentioned was decent.
Honestly the turbo was the last thing i was going to get I was hoping I could keep the stock turbo through some of the upgrades at least.

If I kept my stock turbo,ECU,Manifold,injectors would I be able to still upgrade the;

Kelford Cams 272/272 Camshafts
GSC Beehive 80lb Valvesprings and Ti Retainers (retainers come with the kit)
AEM Tru-Time Adjustable Cam Gears
Gates Racing Kevlar Timing Belt
Walbro 255 In Tank Fuel Pump with Setup Kit
Wiseco Pistons Manley/Eagle H Beam Rods
ACL Race Bearings 7-Bolt (I am pretty sure these are the proper bearings I need)
http://realstreetperformance.com/sto...-evo-2305.html
Manley Race Series Valves
ARP Headstuds 7-Bolt
Greddy/ETS IC kit
Clutch kit (Exedy Hyper carbon-R Twin clutch or Comp-R Still doing research)

Without any problems with car, then add the FP Turbo, Manifold, Injectors, E6 ECU and get a tune at that point?

I know the 4G63 engines can take quite a beating but I have no personal experience as to what I can and cannot do with it without getting a tune first.
All the info i have been able to gather so far has generally been from E3,5&6 owners haha.

Also like stated by a previous poster are the cam gears even necessary and are not worth the money & from reading it seems the stock ones will do the trick no problem.
And can anyone confirm that the bore size and compression ratio of the pistons I need as 85.00mm & 9.0:1 (Model number K597M85) and if there is an ETS IC kit or if the one i posted previoudly will work.

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Old Nov 21, 2012 | 06:59 AM
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Anyone confirm any of this? Just want to know what I can safely upgrade on the stock ECU, turbo, injectors and manifold.

I know I am good to upgrade the;

Kelford Cams 272/272 Camshafts
GSC Beehive 80lb Valvesprings and Ti Retainers
Gates Racing Kevlar Timing Belt
Walbro 255 In Tank Fuel Pump
ETS E8-9 IC kit
exedy Clutch

But not 100% positive on the;
Wiseco Pistons Manley/Eagle H Beam Rods
ACL Race Bearings (DSM2/3 built-in thrust bearings)
Manley Race Series Valves
ARP Headstuds

I decided to ditch the cam gears to save the extra cash, but am ready to order what I can now and getting the rest over the winter.
I also still need to confirm the bore size and compression ration is correct.

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