You know all that goop is going to come off at some point. And for every bulge on on the outside there is probably one on the inside... Best of luck not clogging the pickup screen. Every one is saying bandaid this or that but if the ams pan has a band flange rtv is just a bandaid as well. And the worst kind! Take it to a machinist and have it true'd then install it.

Or enjoy that large capacity pan that still starves your engine cause your pickup clogs.

Also has anyone ever tried to slant the pan walls? People install trap doors and such but if the wall is a 60* angle to the flange it would require more then 1-1.2g's to pull the oil back up. Even if you have to offset the sump so it clears the exhaust it would still work.
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How is setup RTV going to come off???

 

i find clumps of rtv in the screens all the time... idk how they come off.. they just do... in fact i use very lil when i do my pan but when i cleaned my pick up the other day to prep it for install even i had rtv clumps in the screen... the bigger the clump the easier it comes off too. try it sometime if you don't trust me.

 

Anyone up for getting Colin @Toxic Fab to possibly make/design a pan that might help?

I am thinking something similar to an AMS pan with a few pieces on the sides of the sump so that once the oil is in the sump it won't come out until unless it is above hose pieces.

Maybe take an AMS pan and modify it?

Any other suggestions to design a pan that might work?

 

The AMS pan is a very good setup, though fitment and sealing is a *****. It has multiple trap doors and a different pickup. I would be up for seeing what Colin had to do, but it takes him forever to make something due to his demand. A friend of mine has been waiting ~6months for a replacement manifold after having a failure.

 

i have seen many AMS pans leaking. i believe the problem is when there welding the material together. it warps. great pan but very poor fitment.

 

Thats exactly the problem, Moroso does try to true the flange after welding but it's nowhere near flat.

 

If that is the issue you would think they would throw it on s mill and make sure the surface is flat before it is sent out.

So, I take it everyone thinks the pan works well? Other than he leaks.....


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I guess I should get mine resurfaced so its flat before installing. And buy lots of RTV.

 

I dunno, doesn't leaking sort of defeat the point of an oil pan?

 

I think the question should be, "How many people are losing engines from an oiling issue and if you lost one what pan was on the car?"

Someone get Jarrod Hoops in here and ask him what he ran for all those races he's run. I have no idea personally but I can tell all of you he is faster than any other EVO and pulling more G's than anyone else on this forum in his.

I'm curious what he runs. I know our Magnum was on 10" wide slicks back in the day and with a stock pan we had no issues.

Putting a dry sump on the engine has never interested me. I remember way back when the drag racing guys talked about it...........we ran a pan I built and never had issues. The dry sump guys removed their dry sumps very quickly.

 

Slightly more ot but for the ams Pan could you have a legitimate oil pan gasket made easily?

 

oil pan gaskets tend to leak with out kinds of internal engine pressures... or at least thats what was explained to me when i asked about why we use rtv.

 

For what it's worth, I checked with Jarrod Hoops and he confirmed he ran for 6 years on the stock pan, same engine. After losing a turbo to oil starvation and finding the bearings with SOME signs of wear he upgraded to our pan.

I'd say that's at least good enough for me to know a dry sump is not needed and most of you guys are over thinking the non-issue. If any of you know Jarrod and the car, I can assure you he's at the very least faster than 99% of the guys here.

I'm not arguing which pan is best I'm simply saying that as with most car related things people tend to over complicate them and then follow what they find on the Internet.

 

Great to see you back and posting on the forum db great information as always.