Low end Torque
Originally posted by SinCityEvo
I don't know, I just experimented with a Buschur 2.5" DP and my stock one. I already have a 3" HKS catback. With the stock DP and HKS catback, I did not lose any low end torque.
Now, when I changed out for the Buschur DP, i immediately felt loss of low end torque, like you had to put more revs in to get rolling and very weak in first when not spooled compared to stock. Once spooled, look out. Nice power increase over the catback. Much louder, too.
I put back the stock DP and immediately felt my low end come back, but midrange and top were not as nice as the Buschur 2.5".
Even though the stocker is slightly smaller and has crushed sections, the Buschur 2.5" is straight through. IMO, downpipes like HKS and this one are more than enough for power gains unless you are upgrading the turbo. I would not consider a 3" unless i was going 3" test pipe or 3" hi-flow cat.
I don't know, I just experimented with a Buschur 2.5" DP and my stock one. I already have a 3" HKS catback. With the stock DP and HKS catback, I did not lose any low end torque.
Now, when I changed out for the Buschur DP, i immediately felt loss of low end torque, like you had to put more revs in to get rolling and very weak in first when not spooled compared to stock. Once spooled, look out. Nice power increase over the catback. Much louder, too.
I put back the stock DP and immediately felt my low end come back, but midrange and top were not as nice as the Buschur 2.5".
Even though the stocker is slightly smaller and has crushed sections, the Buschur 2.5" is straight through. IMO, downpipes like HKS and this one are more than enough for power gains unless you are upgrading the turbo. I would not consider a 3" unless i was going 3" test pipe or 3" hi-flow cat.
I just received my Buschur 2.5" DP today. I have already been Dynoflashed and will get reflashed with the new DP on the 20th. I hope the new downpipe coupled with my current mods and another reflash will do wonders for my car...
BTW...How hard is it to remove the Stock Downpipe and install this one??
Originally posted by Guack007
Great to hear from you Chris. Thnx again for the ride. Didn't you end up moving to the east coast?
Im glad to see Im not te onlt one that likes the R32. It defiantly wins in the street drivability. I am 90% sure I will go Evo once I FINALLY
can afford it.
You wouldn't happen to know how running a 2.3 L stroker kit would change torque in the Low RPM's on a stock turbo. I figure if it makes full boost by about 3500 stock then with 2.3L it should be alot sooner, no?
Hows your Evo doin? What have you done since the Malibu meet?
Great to hear from you Chris. Thnx again for the ride. Didn't you end up moving to the east coast?
Im glad to see Im not te onlt one that likes the R32. It defiantly wins in the street drivability. I am 90% sure I will go Evo once I FINALLY
can afford it.You wouldn't happen to know how running a 2.3 L stroker kit would change torque in the Low RPM's on a stock turbo. I figure if it makes full boost by about 3500 stock then with 2.3L it should be alot sooner, no?
Hows your Evo doin? What have you done since the Malibu meet?
BTW...How hard is it to remove the Stock Downpipe and install this one??
There is a guy called Moses here in the UK and he has a very nice new engine with the 3240 unit fitted. He said that the unit was hitting full boost around 3800 which is high, but with the smaller 3037 on the same engine (2.3 with all the trimmings) you would see it up to speed around 3000 I’d say. There is a smaller HKS unit (2835 I think) but that maybe to small with the stroker. If you are not worried about the top end, then a stock turbo on a 2.3 would be cheaper (with the bearing conversion you could minus 500 rpm) and you would see spool up at around the mid 2ks. But make shore the tuner that you use puts plenty of ignition in there, you may need water injection but it will help no end. The best bet is to speak to your tuner, as with all tuning the will be compromise, it just depends on how far you want to go.
I'd rather have a high-revving engine than something w a "slightly low" end torque. Mustering ~300-350 WTQ (maybe even close to 400WTQ) on like a BR580 and 580BHP with a 9000RPM redline is better to me.
Getting a stroker won't let you have this kind of a high redline.
If you wanted low-end torque, the STi would have been better in suiting your needs.
Getting a stroker won't let you have this kind of a high redline.
If you wanted low-end torque, the STi would have been better in suiting your needs.
Turbine Actuator
Turbine actuators control the release of exhaust gases from the spool up of the turbine fans. Its the metallic golden knob connected to the turbine wastegate. its an actuator. The actuator is actually a pressure control release valve that opens the turbine wastegate when the boost pressure reaches a certain preset value. It also holds the wastegate closed when boost is building up.
The stock springs in the stock actuator is relatively weak. When the turbine starts spooling up from the outgoing exhaust gases, sometimes the pressure of the exhaust gases escape thru the wastegate because the pressure holding the gate is insufficient thus increasing the time the pressure takes to build up.
Putting in an uprated aftermarket actuator stops the wastegate from opening before the boost pressure reaches its target thus reducing lag and pulling the maximum boost at a much lower RPM. It also allows you to pull more boost out of the stock turbine (assuming of course the other components are capable of handling the increased pressure e.g. suction piping and IC piping)
Coupling up the actuator with a good electronic boost controller that allows you to set the wastegate/actuator opening pressure allows you to fine tune your turbine to ensure that maximum boost is available at the soonest possible time. This of course takes a lot of adjustment to get the best but its all worth the time and money spent. At the moment, my evo starts spooling as low as 2500rpm and reaches full boost of 1.25 and 1.45 bar at approx 3200rpm and 3500rpm respectively.
Hope that helps.
The stock springs in the stock actuator is relatively weak. When the turbine starts spooling up from the outgoing exhaust gases, sometimes the pressure of the exhaust gases escape thru the wastegate because the pressure holding the gate is insufficient thus increasing the time the pressure takes to build up.
Putting in an uprated aftermarket actuator stops the wastegate from opening before the boost pressure reaches its target thus reducing lag and pulling the maximum boost at a much lower RPM. It also allows you to pull more boost out of the stock turbine (assuming of course the other components are capable of handling the increased pressure e.g. suction piping and IC piping)
Coupling up the actuator with a good electronic boost controller that allows you to set the wastegate/actuator opening pressure allows you to fine tune your turbine to ensure that maximum boost is available at the soonest possible time. This of course takes a lot of adjustment to get the best but its all worth the time and money spent. At the moment, my evo starts spooling as low as 2500rpm and reaches full boost of 1.25 and 1.45 bar at approx 3200rpm and 3500rpm respectively.
Hope that helps.
Great info guys, thanx.
I am definatly going to get an evo. I think Ill just get a fully loaded one with sunroof and 315Watt stereo. Get some mild mods (stage 2 buschur) and maybe a sway bar or springs. Then I can get use to the car till the clutch goes and then start working on a nice clutch and more power. Eventually (100K miles) I will hopefully have enough for a stroker kit and quick spooling turbo.
I am definatly going to get an evo. I think Ill just get a fully loaded one with sunroof and 315Watt stereo. Get some mild mods (stage 2 buschur) and maybe a sway bar or springs. Then I can get use to the car till the clutch goes and then start working on a nice clutch and more power. Eventually (100K miles) I will hopefully have enough for a stroker kit and quick spooling turbo.
If handling out of the box is your key goal, you will not be dissapointed. Power can be added and if treated properly the 4G63 can last a very long time. I sold my 93 TSI Talon with 118,000 miles and running great. The only major problem was a balance shaft belt that broke and took the timing belt with it.
And a few valves met Mr. Piston.
That is unusual.
Also, I don't think you'll find a faster spooling turbo without giving up some power. Good luck and have fun!
Speedlimit...
And a few valves met Mr. Piston.
That is unusual. Also, I don't think you'll find a faster spooling turbo without giving up some power. Good luck and have fun!
Speedlimit...
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