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Old May 9, 2015 | 08:09 PM
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my buddy has an evo 9 with a gtx3582r and he gets fully boost by 5200 rpms. on stock block gsc2 cams. its fun but laggy
this is bigger so im going to take a guess more lag..
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Old May 10, 2015 | 09:58 AM
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yeah i bet this gt40 will not hit full boost until 5.5k or later. but, i am in for the results and good luck.
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Old May 10, 2015 | 12:04 PM
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Remove the radiator to give yourself some extra room and zip tie the vacuum lines on to the fittings.
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Old May 10, 2015 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
I would get a smaller turbo. That thing is going to be really laggy on a stock 2.0L Itnwould he really laggy on pretty much any Evo motor lol. An FP Red or Black would have been a much better choice for 450-500hp on 93 octane...
^ this...a 40R on a daily driver at 500hp is going to kinda suck to drive around. I would get a smaller turbo
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Old May 10, 2015 | 04:23 PM
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Will keep that in mind. What turbo would you guys recommend that would work on this manifold/twin scroll setup?
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Old May 10, 2015 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rsx06
Will keep that in mind. What turbo would you guys recommend that would work on this manifold/twin scroll setup?
You can just run an open scroll 30R, that imo would be a blast on the street. I am not sure if there is a readily available twinscroll Garrett hotside for the 30R

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Old May 10, 2015 | 08:50 PM
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Not going to find a single scroll t4 30R housing. Maybe a twin scroll. PTE makes a t4 twin scroll for the 5858.
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Old May 11, 2015 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by awhit17
You can just run an open scroll 30R, that imo would be a blast on the street.
It may seem that way in principle, but it is a disappointment in practice. A GT30R with open housing gives comparable lag to a GT35R, but with less power.

Given a choice between a GT30R with open housing vs. a GT4088R twinscroll T4, take the GT4088R TS T4 every time.

With a decent cam set (e.g. GSC S2) and enough fuel, this setup will easily deliver the OP's goal of 500whp on pump fuel with supporting hardware and good tuning.
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Old May 11, 2015 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted B
It may seem that way in principle, but it is a disappointment in practice. A GT30R with open housing gives comparable lag to a GT35R, but with less power.

Given a choice between a GT30R with open housing vs. a GT4088R twinscroll T4, take the GT4088R TS T4 every time.

With a decent cam set (e.g. GSC S2) and enough fuel, this setup will easily deliver the OP's goal of 500whp on pump fuel with supporting hardware and good tuning.
Well I'm sorry for the bad advice, I'm familiar with the benefits of twinscroll housings but that's crazy if in practice on the street a twinscroll 4088 will be better than an open 30R. Maybe it's because I'm trying to extrapolate experience I've had with Honda motors - there were notable boost threshold improvements stepping from a 35R to a 30R and especially a 40R, and an open scroll 30R would feel a lot better on the street than an open 35R.

Again, sorry for the misleading advice!
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Old May 11, 2015 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by awhit17
...and an open scroll 30R would feel a lot better on the street than an open 35R.
That hasn't been the case in EVO-world, which is one big reason why neither the GT3071R nor GT30R were ever popular options here, not even in earlier days - too much lag for the power. I recall David Buschur loudly venting his spleen in this forum several years ago concerning the GT30R, which was amusing but true. FP's HTA30R is a different story, but that's venturing off topic.

In this instance, even if we put the benefit of the twinscroll effect aside, the difference where either setup crosses 200whp is small as compared to the 150whp or so advantage of the GT4088R. Of these two, one will comfortably put the 500whp pump fuel target within reach of the OP's setup. And as for Full Race's TS T4 GT4088R kit, Geoff did his homework. One of the reasons why it is responsive is not just the TS factor, but Full Race's TS manifold design.
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Old May 11, 2015 | 05:04 PM
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Well thank you for clearing that up. Great info
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Old May 11, 2015 | 06:53 PM
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I disagree Drifto's TS gt30 setup would prove that in spades. Years after the gt30 came out is when TS began to be offered in the aftermarket. Then again to this day Buschur still does not sell anything TS.
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That hasn't been the case in EVO-world, which is one big reason why neither the GT3071R nor GT30R were ever popular options here, not even in earlier days - too much lag for the power. I recall David Buschur loudly venting his spleen in this forum several years ago concerning the GT30R, which was amusing but true. FP's HTA30R is a different story, but that's venturing off topic.

In this instance, even if we put the benefit of the twinscroll effect aside, the difference where either setup crosses 200whp is small as compared to the 150whp or so advantage of the GT4088R. Of these two, one will comfortably put the 500whp pump fuel target within reach of the OP's setup. And as for Full Race's TS T4 GT4088R kit, Geoff did his homework. One of the reasons why it is responsive is not just the TS factor, but Full Race's TS manifold design.
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Old May 11, 2015 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
I disagree Drifto's TS gt30 setup would prove that in spades. ...
Drifto's car, which I know well and have personally driven on numerous occasions, was fitted with a Forced Performance HTA30R, 1.06 A/R TS T3, and was run on E85. This is not the same thing as a regular GT30R with open T3 running on pump fuel.

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Old May 23, 2015 | 09:50 AM
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Did this kit go on yet?
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Old May 25, 2015 | 05:53 AM
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Just finished putting it in along with other supporting mods. Just waiting for appointment to tune


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