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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 12:33 PM
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On the website it says they flow more, and on the fuel flow calculator on the website, it says they flow more. How much does your guys at ID know? lol
He's the owner so I would assume a lot lol. My other buddy is the one who tests them all and pairs them together before they ship out.
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 01:32 PM
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Hey heel2toe and Dakota Evo -- just wanted to clarify that the Fuel Injector Clinic 1000s and 1200s (formerly called 1100s) do have a stainless alloy valve. All of the injectors we offer have this same stainless alloy valve EXCEPT our 2150cc. Also, all of our injectors are compatible with E85 fuel so no worries there either.

Our 2150cc is the same base injector as the ID2000 -- they are compatible with E85, however if you don't drive the car regularly they are quicker to have corrosion buildup due to moisture that can gather in the fuel system while sitting unused. If you drive your car at least once a month this is typically never a problem, but not a bad idea to start it every couple weeks if you can, even to idle in the garage a few mins.

If you have any other questions just let me know either here or feel free to give us a ring at the office at (561) 427-0082.

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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 02:30 PM
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^Good to know thanks for chiming in! Might be a good idea to update the description on your site as it doesn't specifically mention that whereas the 1650's do say that.

Im still on the fence about what injectors I'll end up with as the 1200's may be just enough for me but Im also teetering on that edge where the safer option is to step up the the 1650s.

My car will end up around the 500whp mark depending on if I keep my BBK Full or go slightly larger. But even at 500whp that'll require a bump in base pressure according to your flow calculator keeping IDC's at 90%. Although, Im curious how that figure is derived on a boosted application? Seems like a larger turbo will be able to make more hp relative to a smaller turbo running more boost.
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 02:50 PM
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Injector ratings are assuming you have plenty of fuel pump, if the fuel pump is adequate, boost doesn't matter.
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 02:57 PM
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So why are the HP ratings different for forced induction vehicles vs NA?
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 03:44 PM
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Forced induction engines have a higher BSFC (Brake Specific fuel consumption) which is the amount of fuel consumed, per horsepower, per hour.

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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Fuel Injector Clinic
Hey heel2toe and Dakota Evo -- just wanted to clarify that the Fuel Injector Clinic 1000s and 1200s (formerly called 1100s) do have a stainless alloy valve. All of the injectors we offer have this same stainless alloy valve EXCEPT our 2150cc. Also, all of our injectors are compatible with E85 fuel so no worries there either.

Our 2150cc is the same base injector as the ID2000 -- they are compatible with E85, however if you don't drive the car regularly they are quicker to have corrosion buildup due to moisture that can gather in the fuel system while sitting unused. If you drive your car at least once a month this is typically never a problem, but not a bad idea to start it every couple weeks if you can, even to idle in the garage a few mins.

If you have any other questions just let me know either here or feel free to give us a ring at the office at (561) 427-0082.

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my favorite injector i run from you guys are the 1650 but that car runs on q16

our big power e85 car runs 2150 and has gone through 2 sets

thanks for your reply

any plans on making something in the 1259 to 1450 range
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by heel2toe
^Good to know thanks for chiming in! Might be a good idea to update the description on your site as it doesn't specifically mention that whereas the 1650's do say that.

Im still on the fence about what injectors I'll end up with as the 1200's may be just enough for me but Im also teetering on that edge where the safer option is to step up the the 1650s.

My car will end up around the 500whp mark depending on if I keep my BBK Full or go slightly larger. But even at 500whp that'll require a bump in base pressure according to your flow calculator keeping IDC's at 90%. Although, Im curious how that figure is derived on a boosted application? Seems like a larger turbo will be able to make more hp relative to a smaller turbo running more boost.

i would just go with 1650 or 1700
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Fuel Injector Clinic
Hey heel2toe and Dakota Evo -- just wanted to clarify that the Fuel Injector Clinic 1000s and 1200s (formerly called 1100s) do have a stainless alloy valve. All of the injectors we offer have this same stainless alloy valve EXCEPT our 2150cc. Also, all of our injectors are compatible with E85 fuel so no worries there either.

Our 2150cc is the same base injector as the ID2000 -- they are compatible with E85, however if you don't drive the car regularly they are quicker to have corrosion buildup due to moisture that can gather in the fuel system while sitting unused. If you drive your car at least once a month this is typically never a problem, but not a bad idea to start it every couple weeks if you can, even to idle in the garage a few mins.

If you have any other questions just let me know either here or feel free to give us a ring at the office at (561) 427-0082.

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Awesome info, thanks!

Originally Posted by Dakota Evo
my favorite injector i run from you guys are the 1650 but that car runs on q16

our big power e85 car runs 2150 and has gone through 2 sets

thanks for your reply

any plans on making smething in the 1259 to 1450 range

What fuel filters are you guys running? I have a car at the shop that routinely sits for a month or two. Hasn't had issues since I put a fuel lab 6 micron fiberglass fuel filter on it.

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i would just go with 1650 or 1700
He's a cheapass, trying to spend as little as possible on injectors..
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Forced induction engines have a higher BSFC (Brake Specific fuel consumption) which is the amount of fuel consumed, per horsepower, per hour.
Noted, learn something new everyday! I thought HP was far more simple i.e engine is essentially a glorified air pump. Cram in as much air as you can match it with enough fuel and you make power. Sure variances in ideal AFR's and stuff but didnt realize the difference could be that drastic. Interesting stuff
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i would just go with 1650 or 1700
Yeah that's probably what I'll end up with whether I like it or not. Just no plans on every making 650whp so was hoping maybe I could squeak by with the smaller ones or maybe buy an adjustable FPR to buy me some headroom granted theres another couple hundred right there which is that much closer to the 1650's lol!
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He's a cheapass, trying to spend as little as possible on injectors..
LMAO Im right here! There is a big difference from being frugal and cheapI'd be in much better shape if you know I didn't put on Hoosiers and kill my motor lol!
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by heel2toe
Noted, learn something new everyday! I thought HP was far more simple i.e engine is essentially a glorified air pump. Cram in as much air as you can match it with enough fuel and you make power. Sure variances in ideal AFR's and stuff but didnt realize the difference could be that drastic. Interesting stuff

When you make more power from a small engine, it requires more energy due to increased pumping and frictional losses, and the energy created by combustion is generally acting on a smaller piston surface area (which produces less force), and/or acting on a shorter stroke crank (which produces less torque with that force). So to get the same end result, the initial bang needs to be bigger to get 400hp from a 2.0L than from a 4.0L.
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 08:41 AM
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Huh, well there you have it very interesting I never knew that. Thanks for that explanation. So what you're saying is I should just get an LS for my evo bc I wont need larger injectors. Hell, it'll have 8 of them so I could get away with itty bitty lil guys.
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 09:03 AM
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LOL. I think that would incur other costs.
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 09:11 AM
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Lol junkyard 5.3 out of a Silverado for $500 ebay turbo kit for $300 and some square tubing. Done deal <$1000 and 10's all day son! Who needs to turn these days I live my life a quarter mile at a time
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 07:38 AM
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Hi guys can you advise how to install the new 1050X. The car currently has the PTE 1000 installed, would I have to clip off the PTE Jacks and connect the ID ones?
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