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Old Feb 7, 2019, 12:54 AM
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Stock Frame Turbo Upgrade Suggestions

Hi all. Im looking to upgrade my turbo. Want to keep it as stock as possible, and also use the stock manifold. Would appreciate suggestions. Below is the list of mods.

Mods list:

Stock block
Wiseco 1400 HD Pistons and rings 85.5 mm bore.
7 bolt Eagle H-Beam Rods
ARP Head Studs
ARP Main Studs
GSC Billet S2 Cams (274/274)
Supertech 4G63 Dual Valve Spring Kit
GSC intake and exhaust valves
ACL 4G63 7-Bolt Split Thrust Tri-Metal Main Bearings
ACL 4G63 7-Bolt Tri-Metal Rod Bearings
PTE 1200cc Injectors
Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Stock Evo 9 Turbo
Stock ECU
ETS Wide Intercooler 3.5 Inch
Upper and Lower Pipings with Tial BOV
TBE
Battery Relocated to trunk (Not Relevant :P)

If i have missed out on something, or if you have any suggestions pls do share your views.
I live in Dubai, dont track much, only go for rolling Drags sometimes otherwise its a street car most of the time. Not looking for super high HP but if i can achieve around 500HP with this mods list i will be super happy.
Only Super 98 pump has been used for the car.

Mainly looking to get stock frame/direct bolt-on turbo.

Appreciate your time and responses.

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I think Forcedperformance FP 54Green or FP Green (73HTA) would be near 500 crank hp and FP red can do more. I had 1st gen FP green (something like 71HTA these days) and it made about 450 crank hp on 98Ron (2.0L). Fp Black made 577hp on 98Ron (2.4LR). All these were on MHI twin scroll housing and I would take it on 2.0L build.

And Mitsubishi has this new turbo too:
https://www.rosssport.com/Brands/MHI...-Turbo-718KX3R

And Rosssport has one too:
https://www.rosssport.com/Brands/OWE...-Turbo-Evo-4-9
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Ok so i've Shorlisted FP. The links that you have shared also look good but quite pricey as well. I'm mainly looking to get a JB turbo, as i said that i dont do much competitive driving and its more street.

What about the Garrett GT's or GTX's?
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ATP makes GT-series stock frame turbos:

https://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchan...egory_Code=VHS
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I would go for the Blouch 2.0XTR which is the same as the CBRD BBK 3B. I run the 1.0XTR which is the BBK Full BB. Naming only changed when CBRD switched from Blouch to using I think Garrett turbos in their kits.
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Blouch 2.0xtr or FP Red Mhi 👍🏼
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Speaking in real world results on an actual dynojet. (Its just a tool but most are close in HP readings)

If you have access to E85 the MHI red will deliver 500-600whp+ It will also make 400 ft lbs around 3800-4000 with mivec if you want it to on a 2.0.
If you only have pump gas then an SS red will make around 470whp + on pump gas and will spool up well around 4300-4500 with mivec. It doesn't have the low end grunt or TQ that the MHI housing produces but will shine out the top.

An FP black MHI will make 500whp on pump gas as well. It just doesn't have the snap response of a red.

The Blouch and Ross sport stuff is nice. I would just like an antisurge cover option. IIRC, the only clear results I've seen from the Blouch/bbk products were from Mrfred on VD. He has alot of unbiased data on these cars. I believe he made 550whp and tapered more then a red on his BBK-3B on E85.

A JB FP turbocharger should be fine if you aren't road racing with oil pressure issues or running max boost all the time. A BB unit will need proper crankcase ventilation and may benefit from a turbosmart regulator to keep oil supply in check.
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Originally Posted by Abacus View Post
Speaking in real world results on an actual dynojet. (Its just a tool but most are close in HP readings)

If you have access to E85 the MHI red will deliver 500-600whp+ It will also make 400 ft lbs around 3800-4000 with mivec if you want it to on a 2.0.
If you only have pump gas then an SS red will make around 470whp + on pump gas and will spool up well around 4300-4500 with mivec. It doesn't have the low end grunt or TQ that the MHI housing produces but will shine out the top.

An FP black MHI will make 500whp on pump gas as well. It just doesn't have the snap response of a red.

The Blouch and Ross sport stuff is nice. I would just like an antisurge cover option. IIRC, the only clear results I've seen from the Blouch/bbk products were from Mrfred on VD. He has alot of unbiased data on these cars. I believe he made 550whp and tapered more then a red on his BBK-3B on E85.

A JB FP turbocharger should be fine if you aren't road racing with oil pressure issues or running max boost all the time. A BB unit will need proper crankcase ventilation and may benefit from a turbosmart regulator to keep oil supply in check.
Thank you all for your quick responses!!!

Yes i have access to E85 here, but im just going to stick to pump. I will look into the JB FP option that you have suggested.

Just one more question, with the power range that im aiming for, is the stock manifold good enough?

Cheers!!
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Stock manifold is fine. I would definitely go with an FP Red with the MHI turbine housing.
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If you have access to E85 and a dual map then I would put ID1300's and get enough fuel to them. Its one of the best performing injectors out there and will make around 500whp+. The Red really shines at 25+ psi.

The Ethanol will also reduce cylinder temps and add safety to the equation
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone View Post
Stock manifold is fine. I would definitely go with an FP Red with the MHI turbine housing.
Agreed. I'm running MHI Red on 2.0 and its responsive, but pulls hard to redline. Would recommend to anyone for quick street car with some good top end.
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I really love my 3B turbo but if I were just going to make a street car with those goals I'd go with the JB red.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone View Post
Stock manifold is fine. I would definitely go with an FP Red with the MHI turbine housing.
This ^^^

I've read about all of them and am rebuilding my block with mods almost exactly like what you have now with a tune costing a grand here the more I think about it, I might do it all at once so the Red is my choice, I wont muck around trying to save a few hundred bucks with a different brand or anything smaller so would be the perfect fit for your mods. I'd also go fitronic and mostly run it on pump, then I'd mix some e85 for tracking.

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I really love my 3B turbo but if I were just going to make a street car with those goals I'd go with the JB red.
I also love my 3b , itís a great street turbo just which I had access to e85 . Iím thinking of going 6466 but Iím sure I will miss the responsiveness of the 3b .
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Originally Posted by ctfpevoVIII View Post

I also love my 3b , itís a great street turbo just which I had access to e85 . Iím thinking of going 6466 but Iím sure I will miss the responsiveness of the 3b .
It's waaaay more fun on E85. Buy a 55 gallon drum, fill it with E85 and put it in your garage. That's what I did when the closest pump was 30 miles from my house.
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