The DQ500 would be great in theory if it didn't sacrifice the AWD system in the process. That said, there are probably a lot of straight line performance people who don't care about handling who would love a streetable 7-speed DSG swap. A 7-speed dual clutch would make some of the gigantic turbo builds a lot more enjoyable to drive.

I'm with LGTD: A 4B11T/SST swap could be a lot of fun. That requires chassis modifications, though.

 

Might be better just to get a evo X then

 

I'd just move into a Sequential. You could make it pretty smooth with paddles and Motec with some time.

 

Sequential is the obvious choice for people who race in any form.

Most modded Evos aren't raced, though. A quiet, reliable, OEM-quality dual clutch would be better around town.

 

DSG is so insanely better than the SST now.

 

Dq500 swap will unfortunately require the use of the vw haldex rear diff. That's becuase rear diff ratio needs to be 1.588:1. To match the vw transfer case ratio.
so you will loose AYC diff.
these kinds of swaps are generally aimed at high end clients with deep pockets and power north of 600hp. Most of these guys will never use the benefit of AYC anyways. And how effect is AYC on such high hp cars anyways?
the nice part of the vw haldex system , is that with a few controller options, you can switch off the rear when not needed. This is a great feature . I have a AWD honda dc5 with haldex, and I only activate the rear diff under certain boost levels. Otherwise it just wastes power.
there is a standalone controller for the evo x sst. But it's a real crap gearbox. Not worth the effort.

 

American Evos never had AYC. However, the differentials are still very important for handling. Swapping out the entire Evo AWD system for an inferior setup is a huge loss for us, especially with higher horsepower builds.

The DSG500 is a great transmission, but everything about the swap would be a huge step backwards for handling.

 

I appreciate your loyalty to the great car it is already.
what exactly makes the evo rear diff special if it diesnt have AYC? Is there something else in or around the rear diff that helps with handling?
if it's just a conventional diff, then I can assure you that a diff is a diff. Unless you install a lsd. Which is also availble for the vw rear.
my evo x with all its bells and whistles still oversteer like crap at anything north of 400hp.
once my awd honda dc5 DQ500 swap is done , I will be able to give real life comparison between the 2.
straight line will for sure be no different. Let's see what it will handle like.

 

First of all, most evo's have proper central diff with active lock, which the VW haldex based system doesnt. In the case of non ayc rear diffs, which is the case for most US cars, the rear diff is a nice plate LSD diff.. Again, for cars that need handling, are not just straight line weapons, the EVO AWD is far superior to any haldex system.

 

I never gonna say the vw stuff is better. But if evo only has plate lsd at the rear, then the vw diff can also get same. And then the added benefit for some, of switching off of the rear if you want.
the evo center diff is essentially a transfer unit with a plate diff.
the vw transfer is just a bevel gear, but it does have the diff inside the gearbox that can also easily get a plate style lsd. It wouldn't be as effective as the evo, but good enough for many drivers who cant drive hard enough to use the full potential of the evo.
it's a sacrifice for sure, to do this swap. But for some, it will be worth it.
I also seen some evo builds using Tesla rear ends. That is probably the worse thing for anyone to do. A smack in the face of proper awd!.
way up the options,
7 speed dualclutch, paddleshift, stock gearbox, 800nm, street and track worthy.
Vs manual gearbox , stick shift,, heavily modified to handle hopefully how much power?, and the ridiculously expensive hard clutch for me is another reason. I couldnt drive my honda with a tripple clutch. It was horrible !

 

No, it is a proper 50/50 diff with an hydraulically activated plate LSD under computer controll

Otherwise.. I agree with you.. DSG is a nice gearbox for people that want a semiauto dual clutch transmission..

 

Like I said, I think the target audience for a hypothetical DSG swap is the heavily modified street/show crowd. People who don't care about handling. A proper 7-speed dual clutch would make some of the silly giant turbo builds actually driveable on the street. Most of the active posters on EvoM are motorsports-focused, so we're probably not your target audience.

The Evo ACD is a real 50/50 differential with electronically controlled clutch lockup. Haldex starts as an open diff and can lock up as needed. Sounds like a minor difference, but in fast, dynamic handling situations it becomes more pronounced. It's one of several reasons why the Golf platform never really performed as well as the older Evo platform in motorsports applications.

 

So the DSG transmission in stock form drives the front wheels like an open diff (1wd), but you can upgrade the front with a plate style LSD to make it 2wd? Also, is the 1.588 rear diff you have to convert LSD or Open from the factory? Lastly, since the RWD is activated based on traction then what is required in terms of wheels sensors to determine loss of traction?

I think it is an interesting concept for folks like me that just daily drive with 600+hp so just trying to understand the ins/outs of such a conversion.

 

So the DSG transmission in stock form drives the front wheels like an open diff (1wd),
WE ARE REFERING THE THE 7 SPEED AWD GEARBOX, WHICH IS AN OPEN DIFF FRONT AND REAR. 2WD FRONT AND SELCTIVE 2 WD REAR.
but you can upgrade the front with a plate style LSD to make it 2wd?
YOU CAN EASILY FIT A PLATE STYLE OR TORSEN LSD AT THE FRONT AND REAR. TO MAKE IT MORE TRUE AWD
. Also, is the 1.588 rear diff you have to convert LSD or Open from the factory?
FACTORY OPEN DIFF. AGAIN EASY TO CHANGE TO LSD.
Lastly, since the RWD is activated based on traction then what is required in terms of wheels sensors to determine loss of traction?
THE RWD CAN BE PERMANENT OR SELECTIVE VIA HALDEX CONTROLLER WHICH LOOKS AT 4 WHEEL SPEED SENSORS. AND EVEN CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STEERING ANGLE IF YOU HAVE A STEERING ANGLE SENSOR. RWD CAN BE ACTIVATED VIA RPM, BOOST, HP, STEERING ANGLE, WHEEL SLIP, ,
I think it is an interesting concept for folks like me that just daily drive with 600+hp so just trying to understand the ins/outs of such a conversion.
IT DOESNT ONLY HAVE TO BE FOR DD. IT CAN EASILY BE USED ON TRACK IF SETUP CORRECTLY.
GO AND TEST DRIVE AN AUDI RS3 AND TELL ME YOU DONT WANT THIS SWAP IMMEDIATELY!
TECHNOLOGY HAS MOVED ON. WE CAN EMPLOY NEWER TECHNOLOGIES ON OUR OLDER CARS NOW.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREDIBLE REVERSE ENGINEERING/ELECTROINCS HAPPENING!

 

Thank you for providing the answers thus far and you have been very clear. I heard nothing but good things about the RS3 from people who have driven it on the street and from the articles I've read regarding the turbo upgrades from APR. They had a stock turbo/trans/Haldex/TCU RS3 go 9's cutting a 1.49s 60ft so I don't debate it would make for a fun swap in an EVO.
https://www.goapr.com/blog/post/firs...o_rs3_by_apr_/

Can you provide ROM pricing for such a swap if we assume this was for a Honda K-series since that was already developed? Just trying to get a ball park feel for the kit, used tranny, tranny upgrades (optional), controller, etc. Any ball park figure you can provide would be good.