What makes an MR Faster??!
Originally Posted by A-SPEC
You guys are all wrong!
I do not have time to go verify or research it yet, but according to Car & Driver's MR test on Oct issue, the MR has a short final gear. This is by far the only factor can make the MR faster than our 03-04 EVO.
I believed C&D is the only mag or source I recalled which mention this difference between the MR and other EVO.
This actually solves a lot of misteries of the MR. I remembered the Best Motoring Video tested the MR vs EVO, the MR has a lower top speed, and according to Best Motoring, they do not know why either, but they think it might be the extra downforce from the Vortex Generator. Besides, MR is heavier than regular no-sunroof EVO, the extra 5hp, aluminum roof, light wheels shouldn't make a big difference in accelerations, according to the test performed by Best Motoring Video.
If Mitsu really swapped a shorter final gear on the MR to get that performance edge, I don't think MR is that attractive anymore. Imagine, if your EVO can be 300-500 rpm higher in any speed, you are right there at the power band!
Hope someone knows the technical specs on the MR and can be able to verify this
I do not have time to go verify or research it yet, but according to Car & Driver's MR test on Oct issue, the MR has a short final gear. This is by far the only factor can make the MR faster than our 03-04 EVO.
I believed C&D is the only mag or source I recalled which mention this difference between the MR and other EVO.
This actually solves a lot of misteries of the MR. I remembered the Best Motoring Video tested the MR vs EVO, the MR has a lower top speed, and according to Best Motoring, they do not know why either, but they think it might be the extra downforce from the Vortex Generator. Besides, MR is heavier than regular no-sunroof EVO, the extra 5hp, aluminum roof, light wheels shouldn't make a big difference in accelerations, according to the test performed by Best Motoring Video.
If Mitsu really swapped a shorter final gear on the MR to get that performance edge, I don't think MR is that attractive anymore. Imagine, if your EVO can be 300-500 rpm higher in any speed, you are right there at the power band!
Hope someone knows the technical specs on the MR and can be able to verify this
Ive never thought about it yet....
Originally Posted by modvp
Hey Evo Neil, I thought the 03 Evo, tested at the same time as the MR and STI was "someone's car"; therefore, the driver was a bit easier on it. So although they were tested at the same track, the numbers are not 100% representative of how a 03 would perform
Originally Posted by mybada
Road&Track Test
2003 Evo 0-60 4.8sec
2005 Evo MR 0-60 4.3sec
2003 Evo 1/4 13.4 @ 102mph
2005 Evo MR 1/4 12.9 @ 107.6mph
You see the difference now???
Also check this site up:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....ber=1&preview=
Also
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/seda...2_first_mitsu/
Motortrend tested 03 EVO 0-60 5sec and 1/4 for 13.5 @ 101mph lol
MR also has 17.6lbs less unsprung weight due to lighter BBS wheels
IMO MR is just faster... my 2cents....
2003 Evo 0-60 4.8sec
2005 Evo MR 0-60 4.3sec
2003 Evo 1/4 13.4 @ 102mph
2005 Evo MR 1/4 12.9 @ 107.6mph
You see the difference now???
Also check this site up:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....ber=1&preview=
Also
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/seda...2_first_mitsu/
Motortrend tested 03 EVO 0-60 5sec and 1/4 for 13.5 @ 101mph lol
MR also has 17.6lbs less unsprung weight due to lighter BBS wheels
IMO MR is just faster... my 2cents....
Originally Posted by mybada
Hey you are right!! it does have shorter final gear ratio of 4.583:1!!!
Ive never thought about it yet....
Ive never thought about it yet....
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Originally Posted by Sentinal
tighter gear ratio's slightly more power and torque than normal evo and tires that grip a little better also lighter wheels overall weight is about the same.
Originally Posted by EVO Neil
We didn't run the accel, braking, slalom, skipad, and figure 8 on the "borrowed" 2003 Evo, we only used it at Streets for track numbers. The numbers I am suggesting using are from the MT "car of the year" testing which was in the January 2004 issue. That's where we ran those other test numbers and the same exact spot we ran the MR test numbers (other than the track number).
I know we should not give too much weight on magazine test numbers...but, please post (the numbers) if you find them.
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lol, this thread is gonna make 20 pages of pathetic jibberish. Its the same old story, older model people are upset because their car evolved into something better and they cant accept it. Well the Evo 7 owners can just not the 03/4 owners.
But I would like to agree with the majority of people. All statisitics about both the 03 and the MR are wrong. The MR is in all actuality 20 seconds slower then the 03, as well as having horrible parts made for it. This is due to Mitsubishi's new market plan to release slower cars onto the market. Its called the DeEvolution VIII MR.
This flame has been a proud message of, why do you care if one is slightly faster then the other? Atleast answer me that. Then I will go away and never look at this post again.
But I would like to agree with the majority of people. All statisitics about both the 03 and the MR are wrong. The MR is in all actuality 20 seconds slower then the 03, as well as having horrible parts made for it. This is due to Mitsubishi's new market plan to release slower cars onto the market. Its called the DeEvolution VIII MR.
This flame has been a proud message of, why do you care if one is slightly faster then the other? Atleast answer me that. Then I will go away and never look at this post again.
Originally Posted by EVO Neil
Uh, JDM MR car and numbers. Not very comparable to a U.S. MR.
In Japan, they have higher octane rating so number could be lil different but not too much... plus all JDM MR's have AYC which adds up lil more weight so I think that even out with no stereo.
After all you should see very similar numbers with USDM MR's as well... may not be the same but very similar, at least with higher octane gas 4.3 is also reachable IMO.
Best motoring tested both GSR and MR at the same track and 6sp MR was the fastest, and YES! they are PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS!! So I think MR is faster no doubt at all!!
Originally Posted by SupraMAN
We are all forgeting about 05 Regular evos too, they also have 276hp and 286 tq. And they weigh less. I wanna see an 05 Evo vs. 05 MR evo. and see the difference because i dont think there would be much.
OOPS! I made a big mistake... I almost forgot that most of the people in this forum have 03 GSR's and they just don't want to accept the fact that MR is faster and better designed with lower center of gravity... OK It was my bad!
I will correct it:
MR is slower, expensive for no reason, ugly vortex ****, ugly color, ugly BBS rims, useless 6speed, aluminum roof for no reason, bilstein dampers for no improvement, it's totally waste of money and a piece of crap!!
Wow i feel much better now... hope this make you guys feel better too
I will correct it:
MR is slower, expensive for no reason, ugly vortex ****, ugly color, ugly BBS rims, useless 6speed, aluminum roof for no reason, bilstein dampers for no improvement, it's totally waste of money and a piece of crap!!
Wow i feel much better now... hope this make you guys feel better too
Last edited by mybada; Nov 15, 2004 at 12:24 PM.
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Originally Posted by mybada
OOPS! I made a big mistake... I almost forgot that most of the people in this forum have 03 GSR's and they just don't want to accept the fact that MR is faster and better designed with lower center of gravity... OK It was my bad!
I will correct it:
MR is slower, expensive for no reason, ugly vortex ****, ugly color, ugly BBS rims, useless 6speed, aluminum roof for no reason, bilstein dampers for no improvement, it's totally waste of money and a piece of crap!!
Wow i feel much better now... hope this make you guys feel better too
I will correct it:
MR is slower, expensive for no reason, ugly vortex ****, ugly color, ugly BBS rims, useless 6speed, aluminum roof for no reason, bilstein dampers for no improvement, it's totally waste of money and a piece of crap!!
Wow i feel much better now... hope this make you guys feel better too
05 GSR or 05 MR
Someone do a test already!!_!_!__!@#_@#_@_#@
05 GSR is lighter, and has the same **** except a slightly taller gearbox right???
I have a 03 and I know the MRs are better. Great, now someone tell me why an MR would beat an 05 GSR in a dragrace...!!!!!!
Edit : I also know the 05 GSR's are better... Just in case some of you want to be
Last edited by vicbdn; Nov 15, 2004 at 01:21 PM.