Car & Driver specs of new EVO...
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Originally posted by MEGABUSA
What do you drive now....... must be something damn good since you won't "settle".
Like I said above, people like to talk big....impressing only themselves.
You're a fool. You say it's no big deal and that we're not rally drivers and we won't drive the car hard enough. We know that but we want what's out there. 99% of all suv's never go out into the jungles. Try to tell Land Rover customers that they won't get Hill decent control, adjustable suspension and all that stuff because you don't think they'll use it? Be serious. AYC and ACD help the driver keep his line in case he makes a mistake, thus allowing the driver to go faster and safer. Hell, if we're just gonna get a 4g63 motor and awd, you might as well save your money and get a used Eclipse GSX or a 1990 Galant VR-4. I'm gonna wait until they offer AYC and ACD as options. They make the VII ugly and now they're gonna strip it? Come on.
What do you drive now....... must be something damn good since you won't "settle".
Like I said above, people like to talk big....impressing only themselves.
You're a fool. You say it's no big deal and that we're not rally drivers and we won't drive the car hard enough. We know that but we want what's out there. 99% of all suv's never go out into the jungles. Try to tell Land Rover customers that they won't get Hill decent control, adjustable suspension and all that stuff because you don't think they'll use it? Be serious. AYC and ACD help the driver keep his line in case he makes a mistake, thus allowing the driver to go faster and safer. Hell, if we're just gonna get a 4g63 motor and awd, you might as well save your money and get a used Eclipse GSX or a 1990 Galant VR-4. I'm gonna wait until they offer AYC and ACD as options. They make the VII ugly and now they're gonna strip it? Come on.
If you look to the left you will see what I drive. I also have a 914 porsche with a 325hp 350small block. I take the S2000 to the track (summit point, beaverun and drag racing) but I am not a professional (as none of you guys appear to be either - still waiting for someone here to produce an SCCA license).
Is $30k expensive? Seems pretty damn cheap compared to anything else with awd, 250+hp...... The only thing the USA has to compare is the $45k Audi S4 (AND THE S4 doesn't even have ACD/AYD....ahahahahahahah..)
You race on "racing on dirt tracks or cane fields" - Once again....people sure to like to hear themselves..... let's see some pictures.......
PS.... i am guessing by the way you write that you are not even a foreign exchange student! You sound like a typical redneck who has imaginary answers.
Is $30k expensive? Seems pretty damn cheap compared to anything else with awd, 250+hp...... The only thing the USA has to compare is the $45k Audi S4 (AND THE S4 doesn't even have ACD/AYD....ahahahahahahah..)
You race on "racing on dirt tracks or cane fields" - Once again....people sure to like to hear themselves..... let's see some pictures.......
PS.... i am guessing by the way you write that you are not even a foreign exchange student! You sound like a typical redneck who has imaginary answers.
Originally posted by hotstepper
What the **** do you drive!.. Have YOU ever driven an evolution.....I admit, alot of these people may not be planning to buy an evolution but they're entitled to their opinions. As for me , you can be damn straight that Ive driven all the evolutions from 4-7. I dont care what you think, I can send everyone the pictures when i just got my seven. Maybe you arent planning to race or rally your car,, but most of us like evolutions because they bring us closer to feeling like WR pros. I admit that not everyone likes AYc or ACD, and they're entilted to thier opinion. Some say that ayc is like cheating around corners. But what gives you the right to go off saying that the people who like these systems, dont know what they're talking about, that "they just like to hear themselves". Man dont be so synical. When ACD was added to the 7 , it was amazing, and it is really useful. Ive never used snow, but I alternate between Tarmac and Gravel all the time, depending on if its wet or dry out, or if im racing on dirt tracks or cane fields. YOU do SIGNIFICANTLY feel the difference in cornering abilities. Ive never driven the Sti but id like to find out about it..... I can always get the Jspec evolution at home. Im just pissed that while im studying in north america I wont be able to drive it. Also, I really believe that this will be the last version of the evolution!!!!! So do YOU really want to pay all that $$ for smthn youve been waiting for..... only to realize that the last time youre able to drive an Lancer evolution its the watered down thing.......Whatever guy,,,,,,,,,,!!!!! You obviously dont know about evolutions
What the **** do you drive!.. Have YOU ever driven an evolution.....I admit, alot of these people may not be planning to buy an evolution but they're entitled to their opinions. As for me , you can be damn straight that Ive driven all the evolutions from 4-7. I dont care what you think, I can send everyone the pictures when i just got my seven. Maybe you arent planning to race or rally your car,, but most of us like evolutions because they bring us closer to feeling like WR pros. I admit that not everyone likes AYc or ACD, and they're entilted to thier opinion. Some say that ayc is like cheating around corners. But what gives you the right to go off saying that the people who like these systems, dont know what they're talking about, that "they just like to hear themselves". Man dont be so synical. When ACD was added to the 7 , it was amazing, and it is really useful. Ive never used snow, but I alternate between Tarmac and Gravel all the time, depending on if its wet or dry out, or if im racing on dirt tracks or cane fields. YOU do SIGNIFICANTLY feel the difference in cornering abilities. Ive never driven the Sti but id like to find out about it..... I can always get the Jspec evolution at home. Im just pissed that while im studying in north america I wont be able to drive it. Also, I really believe that this will be the last version of the evolution!!!!! So do YOU really want to pay all that $$ for smthn youve been waiting for..... only to realize that the last time youre able to drive an Lancer evolution its the watered down thing.......Whatever guy,,,,,,,,,,!!!!! You obviously dont know about evolutions
You apparently do not realize the JDM S2000 has a higher compression ratio and therfore has more horsepower!!!! What about the 8 spoke JDM wheels that are made by BBS (not sure if they are an option or not in Japan) vs the Enkie USA Wheels. The BBS wheels weigh at least 3-4lbs less than the USA versions. What about NAV? JDM has it.... USA does not. What about Type V? USA does not have it... Japan does.....
So.....your S2000 is clearly not on par with what is available in Japan.
More talk to hear ourselves talk eh!!!!!Aren't you glad I have an S2000 also.
So.....your S2000 is clearly not on par with what is available in Japan.
More talk to hear ourselves talk eh!!!!!Aren't you glad I have an S2000 also.
Originally posted by buzzrbtr
I'm with hotstepper on this one, I would not have bought my S2000 if it was not on par with the JDM car. My car was fully assembled in Japan and come only in one package. Love it. I've recently been looking for a change in what to drive. I will be checking out the G35 coupe, 350Z, and now the EVO...might even wait for the STi.
I am not the most knowledgeable auto tech genius around. That is why I decided to subscribe to this board to learn more about the EVO. I will DEFINITELY not buy the EVO immediately if it will came without ACD/AYC...ACD alone I can live with.
My .02
I'm with hotstepper on this one, I would not have bought my S2000 if it was not on par with the JDM car. My car was fully assembled in Japan and come only in one package. Love it. I've recently been looking for a change in what to drive. I will be checking out the G35 coupe, 350Z, and now the EVO...might even wait for the STi.
I am not the most knowledgeable auto tech genius around. That is why I decided to subscribe to this board to learn more about the EVO. I will DEFINITELY not buy the EVO immediately if it will came without ACD/AYC...ACD alone I can live with.
My .02
So...you are agreeing that no one will use it but...... since the Land Rover guys pay extra money for something they don't use, that we should too. That is an excellent point.......
You guys are expecting BMW type functions out of something that is supposed to be "RAW". The S2000 is a great car because it is simple....no extra **** on it at all... it has limited slip (and a/c).
I am still waiting for those SCCA licenses....... Everyone here is a professional!
Um.... S4awd...you have been here long enough to know how to post? You don't put your words into the "quote" part!!! (I put your entire post into the quotes in case you wanted to see what I am talking about.
You guys are expecting BMW type functions out of something that is supposed to be "RAW". The S2000 is a great car because it is simple....no extra **** on it at all... it has limited slip (and a/c).
I am still waiting for those SCCA licenses....... Everyone here is a professional!
Originally posted by s4awd
What do you drive now....... must be something damn good since you won't "settle".
Like I said above, people like to talk big....impressing only themselves.
You're a fool. You say it's no big deal and that we're not rally drivers and we won't drive the car hard enough. We know that but we want what's out there. 99% of all suv's never go out into the jungles. Try to tell Land Rover customers that they won't get Hill decent control, adjustable suspension and all that stuff because you don't think they'll use it? Be serious. AYC and ACD help the driver keep his line in case he makes a mistake, thus allowing the driver to go faster and safer. Hell, if we're just gonna get a 4g63 motor and awd, you might as well save your money and get a used Eclipse GSX or a 1990 Galant VR-4. I'm gonna wait until they offer AYC and ACD as options. They make the VII ugly and now they're gonna strip it? Come on.
What do you drive now....... must be something damn good since you won't "settle".
Like I said above, people like to talk big....impressing only themselves.
You're a fool. You say it's no big deal and that we're not rally drivers and we won't drive the car hard enough. We know that but we want what's out there. 99% of all suv's never go out into the jungles. Try to tell Land Rover customers that they won't get Hill decent control, adjustable suspension and all that stuff because you don't think they'll use it? Be serious. AYC and ACD help the driver keep his line in case he makes a mistake, thus allowing the driver to go faster and safer. Hell, if we're just gonna get a 4g63 motor and awd, you might as well save your money and get a used Eclipse GSX or a 1990 Galant VR-4. I'm gonna wait until they offer AYC and ACD as options. They make the VII ugly and now they're gonna strip it? Come on.
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Originally posted by MEGABUSA
I am still waiting for those SCCA licenses....... Everyone here is a professional!
I am still waiting for those SCCA licenses....... Everyone here is a professional!
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<- has a BMW CCA club racing license*.
<- and is not one of the people *****ing (yet).
* (and a BMW club race car - my Evolution is going to be a street driven car, maybe with a little time at the local track or even local drag strip if the urge strikes me)
http://performify.com/
<- and is not one of the people *****ing (yet).
* (and a BMW club race car - my Evolution is going to be a street driven car, maybe with a little time at the local track or even local drag strip if the urge strikes me)
http://performify.com/
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Originally posted by MEGABUSA
So...you are agreeing that no one will use it but...... since the Land Rover guys pay extra money for something they don't use, that we should too. That is an excellent point.......
You guys are expecting BMW type functions out of something that is supposed to be "RAW". The S2000 is a great car because it is simple....no extra **** on it at all... it has limited slip (and a/c).
I am still waiting for those SCCA licenses....... Everyone here is a professional!
Um.... S4awd...you have been here long enough to know how to post? You don't put your words into the "quote" part!!! (I put your entire post into the quotes in case you wanted to see what I am talking about.
So...you are agreeing that no one will use it but...... since the Land Rover guys pay extra money for something they don't use, that we should too. That is an excellent point.......
You guys are expecting BMW type functions out of something that is supposed to be "RAW". The S2000 is a great car because it is simple....no extra **** on it at all... it has limited slip (and a/c).
I am still waiting for those SCCA licenses....... Everyone here is a professional!
Um.... S4awd...you have been here long enough to know how to post? You don't put your words into the "quote" part!!! (I put your entire post into the quotes in case you wanted to see what I am talking about.
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Originally posted by MEGABUSA
You apparently do not realize the JDM S2000 has a higher compression ratio and therfore has more horsepower!!!!
You apparently do not realize the JDM S2000 has a higher compression ratio and therfore has more horsepower!!!!
Not to flame or anything...show me any publication that says the JDM "stock" S2000 has MORE hp than the USDM model. I have been a member of the S2ki.com message board for about a year now and I am very sure that I have not read anything on the JMD model having MORE hp than the USDM version. As far as I know, all information you need to know about the S2000 will be found there. There are alot of much knowledgeable members there than I am...but I still have not heard the hp advantage the JDM version has.
On the USDM S2000 alone there is a difference in hp between vehicles. Many have dynoed their cars that yeilded hp #'s at 180 - to 205 rwhp. So when you mean MORE hp...do you mean 30, 40, 50 hp more?!? Again show me the official pubilcation.
I don't really care about the wheels.
If I end up keeping my car, I would most certainly by lightweight forged wheels...no biggie. Navigation? Never cared for it. I live in the NYC area and I don't really get lost. I don't need it to find my way to Times Sq.NO I don't post to hear myself speak. For someone who accuses people of this. I see that you are the one who loves shoving your opinion against other peoples preferences on the EVO. Hey, to each his own. Sorry.
I am glad that you are a fellow S2000 enthusiast. Why are you a member of this board? Are you also contemplating on buying the EVO? If you are, that's fine. If you're satisfied with whatever
brings to the US, good for you. But have respect with my or others' opinion/preference.
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Originally posted by s4awd
... AYC makes sense. More power to the wheels with the most traction. ACD is a little corny but heh, if I can control the diffs from the dash.
... AYC makes sense. More power to the wheels with the most traction. ACD is a little corny but heh, if I can control the diffs from the dash.
AYC doesn't sent power to the side that has more traction. It sends the power to the wheel that needs to rotate the car more (all according the steering angle input the most - few other as well) into the direction where you are steering to. This is, of course, for the cornering under the throttle. Under braking, things change from this a little bit.
ACD works together with the AYC on the same task - rotation of the car. It is also used for stabilization under the braking. basically, it allows more slip to the wheels with less weight (or traction, or I should say rear ones as it is in most of the cases), so they get more of the power/torque than the other side. Once your rear end gets out too much, ACD locks it self a bit more and engages your front end to stop it from rotation as much as it can/need to. If it goes too far for the ACD to catch it, you will spin
In other word, beauty in it self. Once you get your hand into the code it self, oh boy... have a
Mr. AWD
Not official (i am too lazy) Hopefully this link works.... the compression ratio is basically why the JDM version has about 13 more hp.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthrea...e%20horsepower
Yes, I am buying a EVO and I think it will be an awesome car especially for $30k. It is just funny to listen to all of the whining about nothing (essentially).
There is a small difference from car to car (S2000 wise) but mostly the difference is in Dyno's. If you dyno 10 stock cars on the same dyno there may be a diff of a few hp as long as all of the cars have similar mileage. An unbroken in S2000 will obviously have less hp than one with 5-6k.
Forged wheels save you unsprung weight (which is a huge benefit compared to just normal weight savings).
I personally don't care about the AYD/ACD, and I don't think Mitsu does either.... they will sell all they can make (similar to WRX sales) and 95+% of the people will be happy.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthrea...e%20horsepower
Yes, I am buying a EVO and I think it will be an awesome car especially for $30k. It is just funny to listen to all of the whining about nothing (essentially).
There is a small difference from car to car (S2000 wise) but mostly the difference is in Dyno's. If you dyno 10 stock cars on the same dyno there may be a diff of a few hp as long as all of the cars have similar mileage. An unbroken in S2000 will obviously have less hp than one with 5-6k.
Forged wheels save you unsprung weight (which is a huge benefit compared to just normal weight savings).
Originally posted by buzzrbtr
Not to flame or anything...show me any publication that says the JDM "stock" S2000 has MORE hp than the USDM model. I have been a member of the S2ki.com message board for about a year now and I am very sure that I have not read anything on the JMD model having MORE hp than the USDM version. As far as I know, all information you need to know about the S2000 will be found there. There are alot of much knowledgeable members there than I am...but I still have not heard the hp advantage the JDM version has.
On the USDM S2000 alone there is a difference in hp between vehicles. Many have dynoed their cars that yeilded hp #'s at 180 - to 205 rwhp. So when you mean MORE hp...do you mean 30, 40, 50 hp more?!? Again show me the official pubilcation.
I don't really care about the wheels. If I end up keeping my car, I would most certainly by lightweight forged wheels...no biggie. Navigation? Never cared for it. I live in the NYC area and I don't really get lost. I don't need it to find my way to Times Sq.
NO I don't post to hear myself speak. For someone who accuses people of this. I see that you are the one who loves shoving your opinion against other peoples preferences on the EVO. Hey, to each his own. Sorry.
I am glad that you are a fellow S2000 enthusiast. Why are you a member of this board? Are you also contemplating on buying the EVO? If you are, that's fine. If you're satisfied with whatever
brings to the US, good for you. But have respect with my or others' opinion/preference.
Not to flame or anything...show me any publication that says the JDM "stock" S2000 has MORE hp than the USDM model. I have been a member of the S2ki.com message board for about a year now and I am very sure that I have not read anything on the JMD model having MORE hp than the USDM version. As far as I know, all information you need to know about the S2000 will be found there. There are alot of much knowledgeable members there than I am...but I still have not heard the hp advantage the JDM version has.
On the USDM S2000 alone there is a difference in hp between vehicles. Many have dynoed their cars that yeilded hp #'s at 180 - to 205 rwhp. So when you mean MORE hp...do you mean 30, 40, 50 hp more?!? Again show me the official pubilcation.
I don't really care about the wheels.
If I end up keeping my car, I would most certainly by lightweight forged wheels...no biggie. Navigation? Never cared for it. I live in the NYC area and I don't really get lost. I don't need it to find my way to Times Sq.NO I don't post to hear myself speak. For someone who accuses people of this. I see that you are the one who loves shoving your opinion against other peoples preferences on the EVO. Hey, to each his own. Sorry.
I am glad that you are a fellow S2000 enthusiast. Why are you a member of this board? Are you also contemplating on buying the EVO? If you are, that's fine. If you're satisfied with whatever
brings to the US, good for you. But have respect with my or others' opinion/preference.
What is a ProSolo License? I thought ProSolo was auto-x? I know I can auto-x without a license. No flame, just curious what it is. Does it mean you can instruct?
Originally posted by MrAWD
I have a SCCA ProSolo license. Do you feel any better now?
Mr. AWD
I have a SCCA ProSolo license. Do you feel any better now?
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that thread did not really confirm hard facts but its good enough for me because it is from s2ki.com. 7-10 hp at the crank is not a big deal to me. if it was, the usdm EVO would be out of the question. i could definitlely find ways to get 7-10 hp out of the s2000 and the EVO. so no biggie.
my only disagreement with you are the following:
1. (you have not acknoledge this) What's with the lack of respect for other people's opinion/preferences?
2. Have you ever driven any EVO car?
3. Affter reading posts by experiences EVO drivers that ACD/AYC are an amazing addition to the car, you still say its nothing to fuzz about.
personally, after learning more about the Evolution on this board, i would definietly want those options on the car. the last thing i want to happen is buy an EVO without it and it comes a year later and people rave about ACD/AYC. in that case, i would rather wait and see what happens. there is always other cars out there to choose from. bottom line, i am still excited with the up coming release of the EVO and can't wait until the official specs are out.
until that time, drive safe.
peace
that thread did not really confirm hard facts but its good enough for me because it is from s2ki.com. 7-10 hp at the crank is not a big deal to me. if it was, the usdm EVO would be out of the question. i could definitlely find ways to get 7-10 hp out of the s2000 and the EVO. so no biggie.
my only disagreement with you are the following:
1. (you have not acknoledge this) What's with the lack of respect for other people's opinion/preferences?
2. Have you ever driven any EVO car?
3. Affter reading posts by experiences EVO drivers that ACD/AYC are an amazing addition to the car, you still say its nothing to fuzz about.
personally, after learning more about the Evolution on this board, i would definietly want those options on the car. the last thing i want to happen is buy an EVO without it and it comes a year later and people rave about ACD/AYC. in that case, i would rather wait and see what happens. there is always other cars out there to choose from. bottom line, i am still excited with the up coming release of the EVO and can't wait until the official specs are out.
until that time, drive safe.
peace
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I joined this site to learn about MY car; the USDM Lancer. To my understanding, the site changed from "LancerForum.com" to "Evolutionm.net". I, too, would love to own an EVO, but right now I'm just interested in what I drive today. The C&D article obviously isn't going to be 100% correct. No magazine company can print concrete facts on a vehicle that hasn't been introduced yet. In my opinion, we have taken this thread too far and turned it into a ***** session and argument pit. Suggestion: search for threads specifically about AYC/ACD, or start a thread titled "MEGABUSA vs. the world"!
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Originally posted by MEGABUSA
What is a ProSolo License? I thought ProSolo was auto-x? I know I can auto-x without a license. No flame, just curious what it is. Does it mean you can instruct?
What is a ProSolo License? I thought ProSolo was auto-x? I know I can auto-x without a license. No flame, just curious what it is. Does it mean you can instruct?
So, with all of that, do you feel any better now regarding the Lancer and its new specs?
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Originally posted by AllstarE4
In my opinion, we have taken this thread too far and turned it into a ***** session and argument pit. Suggestion: search for threads specifically about AYC/ACD, or start a thread titled "MEGABUSA vs. the world"!
In my opinion, we have taken this thread too far and turned it into a ***** session and argument pit. Suggestion: search for threads specifically about AYC/ACD, or start a thread titled "MEGABUSA vs. the world"!