I think the main thing people are complaining about here is that our Evo is just a shadow of the real Evo. Its missing some key features...its like they were just throwing a bone to the Evo fans in the US to whet our appetite for the real thing (IF the rumors are true).

In my opinion, future generations of the Evo that are designed with the North American market in mind will have all those things we want. They basically took what they had, which was not designed with the NA market in mind, and had to jerry rig it to work here (IF the rumors are true). The car we are getting may not seem too great, but if you look around you will see that the Z is back, the RX is coming back, STi is coming here, the GT-R is coming here, the Supra is being revived....we have the attention of the car makers. The future is good for the NA market...just have to be patient.

 

I still think that you are a bit more on the celebration side due to the arrival of the great car, and trying to push down on this weight issue. You are right that bigger brakes will help the car to stop quicker. The thing is that, this is true only if the previous brakes had tendency to fade and they where no good enough. I have a fiend of mine who has built a Mustang from the scratch. V6 body and most of everything else off the 5.0 Cobra on it. Except the brakes. He did some testing and decided not to go with the bigger brakes (even tough, the rules would allow it), due to the extra weight that they would bring and performance gain. I am sure it he would bring his car to the track that he would miss the big brakes, but for the autoX purpose they where not necessary. Same goes here. Do we really need a bigger and heavier brakes from what EVO 7 has?

Same story goes for the other parts on the car. At the end, you are still there with an extra weight that you need to move left and right, accelerate and decelerate. It takes more energy to do so with an extra 300 lb. That mean you will have to get it from somewhere if you have it. If now, you will have to slow down, just to maintain the constant energy requirement of the whole system!

Well, I guess they have right to do what ever they want. EVO is not meant to be a dragster, but if they want to do that with it, I am sure it will do good there too!! Viva EVO!!

There are so many people that are just a dreamers and it feels good to at least talk about something as special and the EVO cars! Most of the people have never driven a better race prepared car and experiences over a 1G in the corners or 1.6 sec short times, or turbo kick on the AWD car in the first or second gear! That still doesn't mean that they will not do so pretty soon, so at the end, it just makes this whole forum a more interesting place!!

Have a guys and thanks again for great pics Fireball!


Mr. AWD

 

Fireball - I am not trying to flame you - I appreciate the pics as much as anyone else here.

I will probably still buy a evo even if it weighs more then it should, but there is no way MMC is putting 200 to 300 lbs of crap on the US version that is helping it, no way.... anti-roll bars and stiffners simply don't weigh all that much. IMO the only way MMC could put 200+ lbs of extra stuff on the car is with NVH shielding... Which isn't a good thing for this car guy

 

Still think 32xx lbs is porky for EVO...
I was hoping EVO8 would be 300lbs less than the 7...

 

One question I have: If the doesn't intend for the Evo to be a dragster, then why are they featuring it in the Fast and the Furious 2? Not to mention leaving out the active diffs...

 

Good points Fireball! Agree with you 100%. I do like the 1/4 anyways, however. 13's is great for a car of its price.

 

I don't wanna hijack this thread, but the GT-R is coming here? Where did you read this?

 

I finally had a chance to read this whole thread... I thought the Evo7 had 13+ inch brakes and a really stiff suspension (I am basing much of this on the R&T article from a few months back) - so why would these things need to be upgraded?

 

Yes, the GT-R is coming stateside (2004?). The new Supra is as well but supposed to be even more of a GT car then their previous iteration. Oh, and dont forget the new RX-7 which is Not the RX-8. Pardon the off-topic. Go "Evo."

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I'd still like mine in silver please. Nuff said.


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Fire some really good points. I couldn't agree more!
Be glad you guys are getting it, it doesn't pass the crash standards for Canada so we are all S.O.L.
Secondly, this car has to compete against others like it. Mitsu has already released press that states they plan to release the AYC, etc at a later date as an option. If some of you can't wait a year or two, go buy the STI and stop knocking the evo around. Adding all of these features....or should i say forcing them on everyone, only raises the price tag of the car. Not all of us can just go out and buy a 40-60K car just like that. On top of that, it is just going to give the insurance companies more to jack the insurance on them. These aren't race cars and mitsu isn't stupid enough to put a car out that they know people are going to be REALLY stupid with. Otherwise no one would be able to afford them. Anyways, some good points from everyone. Good arguments on both sides. I agree the added toys would be nice, but I'm just happy that N/A is finally getting a close to euro spec evo for a relatively resonable price tag.
Sorry RaX, i'm not trying to flame you, but I really don't understand why you are trying to draw a connection with mitsu and movies. They aren't dumb enough to give up the publicity they will get from Fast and the Furious 2, but they aren't directing it either. The last thing any of us need is more people out there trying to street race without the experience to back it. If any of you ride bikes like i do, you will know what i'm talking about with "squids".

 

Ditto ^ 2. It's very annoying to have to hear rants about the same topics everyday. Another one you forgot is the MSRP issue. No one is making anyone buy a car for X amount of dollars and the dealers are in it for themselves to make money. Enough said.

 

white peopel does

 

Ok, I think I'm the one guilty of making the "switching to a scooby" comment. However, it wasn't the result of too little brains, but to much emotion. Hey man, it happens to the best of us

I think Fireball and Mr. AWD bring up plenty of great points. Hopefully mine are as articulate.

Question: How much sound deadening material does a WRX have? I know it doesn't have hollow camshafts, magneseum valve covers, carbon fiber rear wing, aluminum body peices, etc. It does have AWD and US crash standards. Maybe the Mitsu engine ways a ton more, not sure. It just seems to me that the Evo shouldn't be 200 MORE pounds than the WRX. Heck, with 200 pounds of NVH it better sound like a damn Lexus on the inside (don't want this, just tryin' to make a point).

Fireball suggested that the engineers may have put on extra sprung weight to reduce unsprung weight. This is conjecture, although we DO know the wheels are lighter. Very good considering they're unsprung weight. Fireball does suggest that maybe the brakes are "beefier." I think all indications are that the brakes are the same as on the Evo 7. And sway bars don't weigh that much. I, like a lot of you, have a feeling that it comes down to sound deadening and crash standards. Which brings me back to my original point. Why is a WRX lighter when it has basically the same weight gaining layout (AWD, US bumpers--caveat WRX brakes are smaller, but can that be all of it?) and none of the weight savings parts?

About the 5spd/6 spd debate. As much as a six speed would be cool, I would much rather have a working 5 spd than a very cool, and very broken 6 spd.

The no ACD really bothers me though. I could care less ab out the 3 settings--hell, just give us the tarmac. I want a diff that is 3 times faster than a viscous center differential. That's my big pet peeve about the center. Now, maybe no ACD makes it a more driver friendly/fun car to drive. If that's the case, then I won't mind as much. It will just be frustrating to get passed by Evo 7's if that makes it slower at the track

My final point is that Mitsubishi brought this car over for enthusiasts and to give a little hype. My concern is that initial interest will be hurt by the fact that it isn't totally a real evo, which will make say "well, the market isn't there" and then we have no more evo. I mean, I don't want to buy this car only to have them release a better version 6 months to a year down the road. Look at all the IS 300 owners who bought an automatic in 2001. I don't want everyone sitting on the sidelines waiting for a better evo. Now, having only have approx. 6,000 units may make this a moot concern, but it's a concern nonetheless.

Hopefully that was considerably better thought out than before. As Paul Hansen would say, Cheers!

e in la

 

true true i think NA is the market which is the most stressless for auto maker and we have the largest market for them so they better not cheat us out

as for me i'm the one gonna wait for an extra year on the evo to see if we get a full spec