An idea occured to me after reading the eleventy billioneth reply about how Subaru responds to emails from people like us with questions/comments.

What if we were to flood the right persons email account with demands/requests for a larger discplacement motor for the EVO to match the new STi 2.5 motor??

Many of you guys on this board are extremely resourceful and know people at Mitsu. If we could just get you guys to give us the email address of the person who could make a difference if he/she was informed of the "public's" demand for an EVO with the 2.4 (4g64) motor... then maybe we'd have a chance at one in the near future.

As many of you guys know, the DSM crowd is going toward building up larger discplacement motors... many of them are using the 2.4 4g64 block with the 4g63 head.

There is no reason that Mitsu couldn't give us a 2.4 4g64 motor... Dodge put a 2.4 in the Neon... Subaru put a 2.5 in the STi... why can't Mitsu play "catch up" and put the 4g64 in an EVO?

 

I almost forgot. The reason I didn't mention anything about the 6 speed tranny or diff goodies is because those are NO DOUBT coming because of the preasure that the STi has now put on Mitsu.

However, as to whether or not Mitsu would consider using the 2.4 4g64 motor, I don't see that as being a given, but rather as a long long long shot that will get here as fast as the "slow boat to/from China" as the saying goes!

 

Why not use the already produced 2.5L twin turbo V6 galent engine Perhaps bore to a 2.7L?

 

The only reason I wouldn't suggest using that motor is because it would probably drastically increase the price of the car.. you would have two turbos, more cylinders, etc.

With the 2.4 4g64 block, you basically only increase the size of discplacement without anything else major changing... everything else stays the same.

 

The main reason I suggested using the 2.4 4g64 is because it is nothing new.

Mitsu doesn't have to go re-design or make a new motor... the 4g64 has been around for more than 10 years that I know of... possibly even longer.

It is just a suggestion on what would be cheap/effective/keep the price down on the EVO that would get the job done of meeting the STi head to head.

... however, if anyone has suggestions on a different motor, please feel free to chip in... but I think that limiting them to 4 cylinder motors would probably be the most realistic approach.

 

Please let me know how many times you break transfer cases with your 2.4l, 2.5l motors. I still can't figure out why people still think its better, and lord knows I would never want the 2.4l Mitsubishi motor over the 4G63T. If I want a stroker motor I can do it myself, but I think getting 600 hp out of a 2.0 l is just fine with me., and I don't need the overpowering torque to break my drivetrain every few weeks like they do on stroked DSM cars.

I can't wait to see the drivetrain issues these new Subarus are likely to have. Maybe they won't have issues, but I know where I would place my money.

In any case, this is already about Mitsu vs Subaru (for the 11 billionth time) and already has ignorant comments (maybe by me included) and should be thrown into off topic at this point.

 

I don't think the "average" person is looking for 600 hp out of their EVO's or STi's motor... and on top of that you won't get that out of the stock internals on either car... so your comments seem a bit moot.

My whole point is to not just talk about ideas, but to actually see if we can get mitsu to listen to suggestions and implement them.

As it stands, the STi with the 2.5 and drivetrain goodies outshines the EVO ... so I am trying to see if we can get enough "voice" behind a larger motor that Mitsu will listen... because it is obvious that Subaru listens... I just received an email from Subaru making sure that I had gotten their initial email and they wanted feedback on it????

The only thing I have ever gotten from Mitsu are sales emails.

 

I personally find these two comments a bit ignorant.
First of all the average person is not looking for 300 hp either. I would not consider anyone looking at either of these cars "average". My point is that either of these engines have more power potential than most anyone will ever tap. Using stock internals vs aftermarket internals is a valid topic, because doing engine work is not a big deal. For a few $K I can have more than I ever will need inside my engine.
Also I can't really believe all this talk about wanting the 2.4L. Just tell me how many sub 11 second 2.4L DSM's were at the shootout the last few years.
The fact is they break drivetrains!!!

Ok now on to the paper racing. Please give me some proof the STI with its 2.5L unkonwn engine and black box electronics are somehow better...oh yes, there is no proof.
Thank you drive through.

Sorry to be an ***, but seeing this virtual mag racing topic for the 11 billionth time really gets to me. Bigger is not always better.
Why do you think we have no GDI engine in our EVO....the GDI engine stinks for performance, but for some reason many people think we should have those too. If it were better the EVO would have it, plain and simple.

 

I just want to see ACD, 6 speed tranny, and any other improvements that would be included in the next Evo in Japan. I personally don't want a 2.4L engine because I really like the 2L 4G63T and who knows how reliable a 2.4L would be. I'd rather see them find ways to increase hp and tq across the board and lower the weight as much as possible.

I agree about the customer service of Subaru vs. Mitsubishi. I think they still haven't learned how important the Internet enthusiast community really is. I think they're banking more on TFNTF2 instead

Mark

 

ROTFLOL So you assume every owner that is not average will think the same way you do that "engine work is not a big deal!"

Give me a break, I've had to rebuild my motor before and it is a LOT OF WORK!!!! I enjoy working on cars, but pulling motors and rebuilding them is not one of them!

Well, you said it best... this topic is not meant to have a flame war with you... if you are not interested in the topic, then don't post about it... but my idea is extremely valid considering the fact that the EVO needs more goodies.

Why is it that the Neon and STi can have larger displacement motors... is it so impossible for the EVO to have one too???

 

Well, I wouldn't worry about them being added to either:

1) next year's EVO or

2) an EVO upgrade model

I think the STi has forced Mitsu to bring them here as soon as possible.

I think you hit the nail on the head... Mitsu is betting whatever amount it cost them to sponsor F&F II that it will increase sales... however I am not sure what demografic that is??? Since I don't know I can't really comment on it to much, but my assumption is that the greatest impact is on the "kiddies" who no way in hell can afford a $30K car???? Maybe this is a long term investment hoping that one day the kids will grow up and realize a life long dream of owning an EVO just like the movie F&F II???

 

mitsu is going to try that motor one way or another, the reason subaru increased its displacement to 2.5l is because it cannot keep up with the 4g63t, so i guess just relax if you want 2.4, it will eventually come but in the meantime 2.0l4g63t is fine with me, who knows comparison tests might show a different picture.

 

i personally think it is not a good idea to go with the 2.4l. thats all i have to say about that.

 

Why don't we look at the other advancements Mitsubishi has with their 2.0L engine? Like the hollow camshafts, the twin scroll turbo charger and the overall effeciency and higher revving capability of a smaller drivetrain with less rotaing mass? It looks to me like Subi took the easy way out by using a larger engine so they could upstage the EVO's motor, but it isn't necessarily better. Not until someone proves it. I like the 4G63T. It can make over 600hp, so I don't think we need to pitch it in the trash yet.

 

I'll second GPTourer and I would change the petition to offering the 6-speed (although dinesh-d uses a 5 speed on his VII and no one really knows how much better the JDM 6-speed is over the 5-speed) and ACD as options.