744 AWD whp !
I checked out the Nisea intercooler site. Nice job on the site. Now all they have to do is set some records with that website.
Doing a comparison of just dimensions, core configuration and such is all real nice on paper and if I was looking at that site and was just some guy looking to buy an intercooler upgrade I might even want one. It's amazing what can be done with marketing, just look at some recent turbo upgrades and how fast they sold.
You all know how an intercooler works right? Air goes through it, the aluminum basically pulls the heat out of the air acting like a heat sink. Then as the air from the front of the car passes over and THROUGH the intercooler, the intercooler is re-cooled.
Here are some things that the nisei site doesn't point out. Look at the core design they have, looks good/sounds good on that fancy site they put together. They forgot to mention something. Packing all of those cooling tubes so tight leaves VERY little room for ambient air to pass through the front of the core to RECOOL the intercooler. Other thing is the placement in the car. We were and as far as I know, still the only ones, to drop the intercooler lower in the car greatly increasing the air that not only hits the intercooler to keep it cool BUT to also increase the air that hits the radiator for increased engine cooling.
Bottom line, the core we use and the core AMS uses are the same. Last time I checked that makes that core the fastest FMIC on any EVO in this country.
BTW, the new FMIC that you guys are responding too on Al's car has 288 square inches of surface area. That isn't all you need to look at though.
Take the cubic inches of the intercooler, just making an intercooler longer doesn't make it better, as the longer you have to push the charge air through it the more pressure drop there is. Example, use the same 6" high intercooler and only make it 6" wide, that is going to have less pressure drop than a 6" high intercooler 24" long.
I don't worry about the surface area when building an intercooler half as much as I worry about the total volume of the intercooler. Like 24"x10.5"x3.5"+882 cu. in. That would be ours and AMS's normal intercooler. Nisei's would be 1104.25 cu in. Impressive.
The intercooler that is on Al's car right now is 1152 cu in. I guess since all that seems to matter to some of you is size and such that makes us the winner. I knew that already.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Doing a comparison of just dimensions, core configuration and such is all real nice on paper and if I was looking at that site and was just some guy looking to buy an intercooler upgrade I might even want one. It's amazing what can be done with marketing, just look at some recent turbo upgrades and how fast they sold.
You all know how an intercooler works right? Air goes through it, the aluminum basically pulls the heat out of the air acting like a heat sink. Then as the air from the front of the car passes over and THROUGH the intercooler, the intercooler is re-cooled.
Here are some things that the nisei site doesn't point out. Look at the core design they have, looks good/sounds good on that fancy site they put together. They forgot to mention something. Packing all of those cooling tubes so tight leaves VERY little room for ambient air to pass through the front of the core to RECOOL the intercooler. Other thing is the placement in the car. We were and as far as I know, still the only ones, to drop the intercooler lower in the car greatly increasing the air that not only hits the intercooler to keep it cool BUT to also increase the air that hits the radiator for increased engine cooling.
Bottom line, the core we use and the core AMS uses are the same. Last time I checked that makes that core the fastest FMIC on any EVO in this country.
BTW, the new FMIC that you guys are responding too on Al's car has 288 square inches of surface area. That isn't all you need to look at though.
Take the cubic inches of the intercooler, just making an intercooler longer doesn't make it better, as the longer you have to push the charge air through it the more pressure drop there is. Example, use the same 6" high intercooler and only make it 6" wide, that is going to have less pressure drop than a 6" high intercooler 24" long.
I don't worry about the surface area when building an intercooler half as much as I worry about the total volume of the intercooler. Like 24"x10.5"x3.5"+882 cu. in. That would be ours and AMS's normal intercooler. Nisei's would be 1104.25 cu in. Impressive.
The intercooler that is on Al's car right now is 1152 cu in. I guess since all that seems to matter to some of you is size and such that makes us the winner. I knew that already.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Martin,
I found no power to speak of in the throttle body and going to 3", that was at 630 whp though. I'd be surprised if most of the power you got wasn't from the new intercooler.
BTW, I retract what I said about AMS's new intercooler core being the same as our new one, it is NOT. Martin's intercooler is thicker, ours is only 4" thick.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I found no power to speak of in the throttle body and going to 3", that was at 630 whp though. I'd be surprised if most of the power you got wasn't from the new intercooler.
BTW, I retract what I said about AMS's new intercooler core being the same as our new one, it is NOT. Martin's intercooler is thicker, ours is only 4" thick.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I checked out the Nisea intercooler site. Nice job on the site. Now all they have to do is set some records with that website.
Doing a comparison of just dimensions, core configuration and such is all real nice on paper and if I was looking at that site and was just some guy looking to buy an intercooler upgrade I might even want one. It's amazing what can be done with marketing, just look at some recent turbo upgrades and how fast they sold.
You all know how an intercooler works right? Air goes through it, the aluminum basically pulls the heat out of the air acting like a heat sink. Then as the air from the front of the car passes over and THROUGH the intercooler, the intercooler is re-cooled.
Here are some things that the nisei site doesn't point out. Look at the core design they have, looks good/sounds good on that fancy site they put together. They forgot to mention something. Packing all of those cooling tubes so tight leaves VERY little room for ambient air to pass through the front of the core to RECOOL the intercooler. Other thing is the placement in the car. We were and as far as I know, still the only ones, to drop the intercooler lower in the car greatly increasing the air that not only hits the intercooler to keep it cool BUT to also increase the air that hits the radiator for increased engine cooling.
Bottom line, the core we use and the core AMS uses are the same. Last time I checked that makes that core the fastest FMIC on any EVO in this country.
BTW, the new FMIC that you guys are responding too on Al's car has 288 square inches of surface area. That isn't all you need to look at though.
Take the cubic inches of the intercooler, just making an intercooler longer doesn't make it better, as the longer you have to push the charge air through it the more pressure drop there is. Example, use the same 6" high intercooler and only make it 6" wide, that is going to have less pressure drop than a 6" high intercooler 24" long.
I don't worry about the surface area when building an intercooler half as much as I worry about the total volume of the intercooler. Like 24"x10.5"x3.5"+882 cu. in. That would be ours and AMS's normal intercooler. Nisei's would be 1104.25 cu in. Impressive.
The intercooler that is on Al's car right now is 1152 cu in. I guess since all that seems to matter to some of you is size and such that makes us the winner. I knew that already.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Doing a comparison of just dimensions, core configuration and such is all real nice on paper and if I was looking at that site and was just some guy looking to buy an intercooler upgrade I might even want one. It's amazing what can be done with marketing, just look at some recent turbo upgrades and how fast they sold.
You all know how an intercooler works right? Air goes through it, the aluminum basically pulls the heat out of the air acting like a heat sink. Then as the air from the front of the car passes over and THROUGH the intercooler, the intercooler is re-cooled.
Here are some things that the nisei site doesn't point out. Look at the core design they have, looks good/sounds good on that fancy site they put together. They forgot to mention something. Packing all of those cooling tubes so tight leaves VERY little room for ambient air to pass through the front of the core to RECOOL the intercooler. Other thing is the placement in the car. We were and as far as I know, still the only ones, to drop the intercooler lower in the car greatly increasing the air that not only hits the intercooler to keep it cool BUT to also increase the air that hits the radiator for increased engine cooling.
Bottom line, the core we use and the core AMS uses are the same. Last time I checked that makes that core the fastest FMIC on any EVO in this country.
BTW, the new FMIC that you guys are responding too on Al's car has 288 square inches of surface area. That isn't all you need to look at though.
Take the cubic inches of the intercooler, just making an intercooler longer doesn't make it better, as the longer you have to push the charge air through it the more pressure drop there is. Example, use the same 6" high intercooler and only make it 6" wide, that is going to have less pressure drop than a 6" high intercooler 24" long.
I don't worry about the surface area when building an intercooler half as much as I worry about the total volume of the intercooler. Like 24"x10.5"x3.5"+882 cu. in. That would be ours and AMS's normal intercooler. Nisei's would be 1104.25 cu in. Impressive.
The intercooler that is on Al's car right now is 1152 cu in. I guess since all that seems to matter to some of you is size and such that makes us the winner. I knew that already.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Also I think it would be prudent for explaination and reccomendations of usages for these big FMICs when they come out. Since Ive havent been seeing one vendor type cars for a while due to being away from the Vishnu shop and more companies getting into the game(basically more crap being sold for these cars) I have seen some of the most mismatched ill performing cars immaginable. Thus I think its going to be even more important for product testing and package reccomendations from the big EVO shops and manufacturers. The same thing happened in the Subaru market, there were some good pruven packages and BPUs then everyone jumped in and customers started mismatching or substituting to rarely a positive effect while taking the money out of the shops that did the good R&D. Things can go to crap real quick
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i was using the secret weapon intake from weapon-r
BTW - I think we were actually in Buschur's shop when i told you that - no ?
That is like going to the chevy factory in a ford !
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Originally Posted by David@Vishnu
Iand more companies getting into the game(basically more crap being sold for these cars) I have seen some of the most mismatched ill performing cars immaginable. Thus I think its going to be even more important for product testing and package reccomendations from the big EVO shops and manufacturers. The same thing happened in the Subaru market, there were some good pruven packages and BPUs then everyone jumped in and customers started mismatching or substituting to rarely a positive effect while taking the money out of the shops that did the good R&D. Things can go to crap real quick
THIS is the MOST INTELIGENT post I have seen in a long time
This is a great point
In the first year of my tuning trips 90% of the cars I was tuning had mostly Buschur Stages and other tuning house staged packages tuning was a breeze - they all ran great. You buy a kit that a reputable shop spent time testing and doing R & D on and its going to work well
You buy a whole heap of mis-matched parts from some deep discount parts seller internet shop that is making $2.00 on each item profit - chances are they dont know jack about what really works on the cars in many cases they have never even driven an evo or turned a wrench.
Now we are seeing more and more cars with serious install problems and parts which just do not work.
With 2002 WRX's for example 90% of them that show up for a ecutek based reflash tune have mechanical issues such as boost leaks, compression problems, bad parts and parts that just don't work - OH and slipping clucthes.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Thanks guys for your support - come Saturday I am going to unleash a giant can of silver bullet Whoop *** ! I am either going to blow it up or make some real fast times - I am in that kind of mood.
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I checked out the Nisea intercooler site. Nice job on the site. Now all they have to do is set some records with that website.
Doing a comparison of just dimensions, core configuration and such is all real nice on paper and if I was looking at that site and was just some guy looking to buy an intercooler upgrade I might even want one. It's amazing what can be done with marketing, just look at some recent turbo upgrades and how fast they sold.
You all know how an intercooler works right? Air goes through it, the aluminum basically pulls the heat out of the air acting like a heat sink. Then as the air from the front of the car passes over and THROUGH the intercooler, the intercooler is re-cooled.
Here are some things that the nisei site doesn't point out. Look at the core design they have, looks good/sounds good on that fancy site they put together. They forgot to mention something. Packing all of those cooling tubes so tight leaves VERY little room for ambient air to pass through the front of the core to RECOOL the intercooler. Other thing is the placement in the car. We were and as far as I know, still the only ones, to drop the intercooler lower in the car greatly increasing the air that not only hits the intercooler to keep it cool BUT to also increase the air that hits the radiator for increased engine cooling.
Bottom line, the core we use and the core AMS uses are the same. Last time I checked that makes that core the fastest FMIC on any EVO in this country.
BTW, the new FMIC that you guys are responding too on Al's car has 288 square inches of surface area. That isn't all you need to look at though.
Take the cubic inches of the intercooler, just making an intercooler longer doesn't make it better, as the longer you have to push the charge air through it the more pressure drop there is. Example, use the same 6" high intercooler and only make it 6" wide, that is going to have less pressure drop than a 6" high intercooler 24" long.
I don't worry about the surface area when building an intercooler half as much as I worry about the total volume of the intercooler. Like 24"x10.5"x3.5"+882 cu. in. That would be ours and AMS's normal intercooler. Nisei's would be 1104.25 cu in. Impressive.
The intercooler that is on Al's car right now is 1152 cu in. I guess since all that seems to matter to some of you is size and such that makes us the winner. I knew that already.
David Buschur
Doing a comparison of just dimensions, core configuration and such is all real nice on paper and if I was looking at that site and was just some guy looking to buy an intercooler upgrade I might even want one. It's amazing what can be done with marketing, just look at some recent turbo upgrades and how fast they sold.
You all know how an intercooler works right? Air goes through it, the aluminum basically pulls the heat out of the air acting like a heat sink. Then as the air from the front of the car passes over and THROUGH the intercooler, the intercooler is re-cooled.
Here are some things that the nisei site doesn't point out. Look at the core design they have, looks good/sounds good on that fancy site they put together. They forgot to mention something. Packing all of those cooling tubes so tight leaves VERY little room for ambient air to pass through the front of the core to RECOOL the intercooler. Other thing is the placement in the car. We were and as far as I know, still the only ones, to drop the intercooler lower in the car greatly increasing the air that not only hits the intercooler to keep it cool BUT to also increase the air that hits the radiator for increased engine cooling.
Bottom line, the core we use and the core AMS uses are the same. Last time I checked that makes that core the fastest FMIC on any EVO in this country.
BTW, the new FMIC that you guys are responding too on Al's car has 288 square inches of surface area. That isn't all you need to look at though.
Take the cubic inches of the intercooler, just making an intercooler longer doesn't make it better, as the longer you have to push the charge air through it the more pressure drop there is. Example, use the same 6" high intercooler and only make it 6" wide, that is going to have less pressure drop than a 6" high intercooler 24" long.
I don't worry about the surface area when building an intercooler half as much as I worry about the total volume of the intercooler. Like 24"x10.5"x3.5"+882 cu. in. That would be ours and AMS's normal intercooler. Nisei's would be 1104.25 cu in. Impressive.
The intercooler that is on Al's car right now is 1152 cu in. I guess since all that seems to matter to some of you is size and such that makes us the winner. I knew that already.
David Buschur
(1) You say your core is the same as the AMS intercooler is that correct?
(2) You also mentioned that the Buschur / AMS core is 24"x10.5"x3.5"? & the Nisei is 25"x12.62"x3.5". So which one is better?
(3) Are you saying that the Buschur / AMS core is better than the Nisei?
(4) What are the dimensions/size of your 1152 cu in. core? Will it work with the front bumper support?
(5) If dimensional size is not the most important thing for intercooling, can you please explain What are the most important things for an intercooler?
David, I believe you are an important element in the community and think that your responses can benefit everyone.
I think you would agree, it would help the community alot if you could share some technical data with us so we can put this to rest.
Being apart of the Evo community I think it's very important to provide proof especially in this day and age because, there are so many products that don't do anything. As a enduser, I would like to know if I'm getting ripped.
Thanks,
P.S. AMS - I would like to hear from you since David is the one who said your FMIC's are the same.
man, i knew the moment someone mentioned about the ams, this was gonna happen.
What is the beef between you people?
you guys make some amazing cars with amazing power and you guys are arguing online?
you should rather celebrate them.
Half or even 99% of the people on this board don't have 500+whp on their Evo.
So what does that mean? You should just do your best, pour out some good numbers and happy with the fact that both of the IC made some tremendous improvement over the stock setup.
and if one is better than the other, I'm sure they'll make they will try to make better ones than the competition next time. which is good for the owners.
I think both Buschur and AMS makes some very very sick cars with their products.
And Al loves racing and although he's a vendor here, he's just like the rest of us, just more crazier.
I really hope nothing is worked out so it looks like one shop is sabataging the other.
Because AMS is thinking that, but AMS is just pouring gasoline on the fire.
anyway, i guess everyone's going to enjoy it until it burns out.
that is all.
What is the beef between you people?
you guys make some amazing cars with amazing power and you guys are arguing online?
you should rather celebrate them.
Half or even 99% of the people on this board don't have 500+whp on their Evo.
So what does that mean? You should just do your best, pour out some good numbers and happy with the fact that both of the IC made some tremendous improvement over the stock setup.
and if one is better than the other, I'm sure they'll make they will try to make better ones than the competition next time. which is good for the owners.
I think both Buschur and AMS makes some very very sick cars with their products.
And Al loves racing and although he's a vendor here, he's just like the rest of us, just more crazier.
I really hope nothing is worked out so it looks like one shop is sabataging the other.
Because AMS is thinking that, but AMS is just pouring gasoline on the fire.
anyway, i guess everyone's going to enjoy it until it burns out.
that is all.
Originally Posted by Str8Ryda
David,
(1) You say your core is the same as the AMS intercooler is that correct?
(2) You also mentioned that the Buschur / AMS core is 24"x10.5"x3.5"? & the Nisei is 25"x12.62"x3.5". So which one is better?
(3) Are you saying that the Buschur / AMS core is better than the Nisei?
(4) What are the dimensions/size of your 1152 cu in. core? Will it work with the front bumper support?
(5) If dimensional size is not the most important thing for intercooling, can you please explain What are the most important things for an intercooler?
David, I believe you are an important element in the community and think that your responses can benefit everyone.
I think you would agree, it would help the community alot if you could share some technical data with us so we can put this to rest.
Being apart of the Evo community I think it's very important to provide proof especially in this day and age because, there are so many products that don't do anything. As a enduser, I would like to know if I'm getting ripped.
Thanks,
P.S. AMS - I would like to hear from you since David is the one who said your FMIC's are the same.
(1) You say your core is the same as the AMS intercooler is that correct?
(2) You also mentioned that the Buschur / AMS core is 24"x10.5"x3.5"? & the Nisei is 25"x12.62"x3.5". So which one is better?
(3) Are you saying that the Buschur / AMS core is better than the Nisei?
(4) What are the dimensions/size of your 1152 cu in. core? Will it work with the front bumper support?
(5) If dimensional size is not the most important thing for intercooling, can you please explain What are the most important things for an intercooler?
David, I believe you are an important element in the community and think that your responses can benefit everyone.
I think you would agree, it would help the community alot if you could share some technical data with us so we can put this to rest.
Being apart of the Evo community I think it's very important to provide proof especially in this day and age because, there are so many products that don't do anything. As a enduser, I would like to know if I'm getting ripped.
Thanks,
P.S. AMS - I would like to hear from you since David is the one who said your FMIC's are the same.
Do you need a intercooler with 1100+CI? Are you pushing 600whp? No car is running the Nisei....No fast car anyway. The intercooler looks great on paper go buy one and you can do the testing and give your results to the EVO community.
Either way the difference will be minimal.
BBYBruno,
I must have offended you at one time in the past, sorry I guess. This topic was about what Al's car made on the dyno. He pointed out he made some good gains with a new FMIC we released. You came in here and told him he should get the Nisei. Then there were posts about how great it is and a link to their website. I went and looked at the site and pointed out some things they don't bother to mention. I also said on paper it all looks good as far as dimensions go.
I believe it was also you that said they tested their intercooler against all others and won. That isn't true. Someone built a website with fin type, core dimensions and tank comparisons and claimed to be the winner. The intercooler was not actually tested on any cars back-to-back against all the others, just on paper. Paper doesn't win races and I don't feel that their tight fin configuration is going to be good for cooling to either the intercooler charge air temps inside OR the radiator behind it.
I pointed out that there is more to it than they said and then I get the smart comment from you that "Buschur Racing has the greatest FMIC in the world..yayy". Sorry that I gave some facts that aren't on their website. Sorry if it cuts into YOUR wallet on the sales.
I'm all about the truth, maybe you'd rather have crap thrown at you instead of the truth, I don't know.
str8ryda,
Yes, AMS's normal FMIC and our two kits (Standard and Deluxe) use the same cores. Our end tanks are different and lower plumbing kits are different.
I don't know which one is better, the cores we are using or the Nisei. I explained on paper theirs looks good. I also pointed out some things that could be flaws in their design. I definetely do NOT like the fact that there isn't much room for air to flow through the core, it is not good for cooling the charge air temps that are inside OR for getting air to the radiator behind the core. If you listen to them it would be best to make the intercooler with just charge air tubes and nothing else, it would then just become a huge heat sink and the only air you would have to cool it was what passed around it. In other words it would look like a solid sheet of aluminum all the way around. Well it isn't too hard to figure out that won't work.
The cores I use are a high density fin design with large charge air and cooling areas. This leaves less restiction in the core and A LOT more room for air to pass through the intercooler to cool it down. It is quite easy to think about actually.
The 1152 cu in intercooler that Al has on his car, I don't know if it will clear with the front bumper support to be honest. Never thought to try it. I would think so. Most of the guys going with an intercooler this large would have more than likely thrown out that easy 17 pounds of weight by then. The three cars we have put them on had no steel bumper support. The first 3 of these intercoolers we built we had to do some trimming to the front bumper cover. We built a 4th one yesterday and it went right in with no trimming required of the fascia.
I believe I explained some of the other important things about an intercooler in my arguement about the Nisei.
I would put money against my 1152 cu in intercooler compared to theirs for sure. I'll have less pressure drop and much much better cooling.
I don't feel you can have a core as densely packed as theirs and get enough air flow through the face of the core to re-cool it efficiently. It may work really well for one or two pulls on a dyno but once it is hot you are going to be screwed. That is just an opinion, but one based on 16 years of experimenting.
On our drag cars we have found that because they only run for 7-8 seconds at a time that you can actually use a good sized core and completely block the air from it and still keep the charge air temps cool. You end up with plenty of time in the pits afterwards for the intercooler to drop back to ambient air temps. Block of all the air to an intercooler on the street and you are going to have some very hot intake air temps AND a very warm engine.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I must have offended you at one time in the past, sorry I guess. This topic was about what Al's car made on the dyno. He pointed out he made some good gains with a new FMIC we released. You came in here and told him he should get the Nisei. Then there were posts about how great it is and a link to their website. I went and looked at the site and pointed out some things they don't bother to mention. I also said on paper it all looks good as far as dimensions go.
I believe it was also you that said they tested their intercooler against all others and won. That isn't true. Someone built a website with fin type, core dimensions and tank comparisons and claimed to be the winner. The intercooler was not actually tested on any cars back-to-back against all the others, just on paper. Paper doesn't win races and I don't feel that their tight fin configuration is going to be good for cooling to either the intercooler charge air temps inside OR the radiator behind it.
I pointed out that there is more to it than they said and then I get the smart comment from you that "Buschur Racing has the greatest FMIC in the world..yayy". Sorry that I gave some facts that aren't on their website. Sorry if it cuts into YOUR wallet on the sales.
I'm all about the truth, maybe you'd rather have crap thrown at you instead of the truth, I don't know.
str8ryda,
Yes, AMS's normal FMIC and our two kits (Standard and Deluxe) use the same cores. Our end tanks are different and lower plumbing kits are different.
I don't know which one is better, the cores we are using or the Nisei. I explained on paper theirs looks good. I also pointed out some things that could be flaws in their design. I definetely do NOT like the fact that there isn't much room for air to flow through the core, it is not good for cooling the charge air temps that are inside OR for getting air to the radiator behind the core. If you listen to them it would be best to make the intercooler with just charge air tubes and nothing else, it would then just become a huge heat sink and the only air you would have to cool it was what passed around it. In other words it would look like a solid sheet of aluminum all the way around. Well it isn't too hard to figure out that won't work.
The cores I use are a high density fin design with large charge air and cooling areas. This leaves less restiction in the core and A LOT more room for air to pass through the intercooler to cool it down. It is quite easy to think about actually.
The 1152 cu in intercooler that Al has on his car, I don't know if it will clear with the front bumper support to be honest. Never thought to try it. I would think so. Most of the guys going with an intercooler this large would have more than likely thrown out that easy 17 pounds of weight by then. The three cars we have put them on had no steel bumper support. The first 3 of these intercoolers we built we had to do some trimming to the front bumper cover. We built a 4th one yesterday and it went right in with no trimming required of the fascia.
I believe I explained some of the other important things about an intercooler in my arguement about the Nisei.
I would put money against my 1152 cu in intercooler compared to theirs for sure. I'll have less pressure drop and much much better cooling.
I don't feel you can have a core as densely packed as theirs and get enough air flow through the face of the core to re-cool it efficiently. It may work really well for one or two pulls on a dyno but once it is hot you are going to be screwed. That is just an opinion, but one based on 16 years of experimenting.
On our drag cars we have found that because they only run for 7-8 seconds at a time that you can actually use a good sized core and completely block the air from it and still keep the charge air temps cool. You end up with plenty of time in the pits afterwards for the intercooler to drop back to ambient air temps. Block of all the air to an intercooler on the street and you are going to have some very hot intake air temps AND a very warm engine.
David Buschur
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I never told Al that he should use Nisei's intercooler, get your facts straight. I clearly asked him why hasn't he tryed it out. Well Nisei is soon going to post all tests and comparisons they have done with all other intercoolers, so we'll check out the results then. Good Luck..