Nothing is original; this car's been a test mule and beat up for awhile!

 

Martin - there is no need for all this confusion

First - a clarification - I did the test as a A- B test - nothing was changed except the fmic - the test was done with the front bumper off - the car never left the dyno

Second as for the nitrous - its not an arming and not arming situation - its always armed on in the aem the way I have it set up - its just the nitous kit itself that was turned off. As I said before, I left the tune conservative as it was only a test - anything over 600 whp was closze enough to test the fmic's for my purposes.

3rd - WEATHER conditions suck in the NE now and its amazing that I made any power - the car got so hot on the dyno that my radiator cap flew off the radiator.

In order to remove any and all doubt - next week I will retest the two fmic's again under more closely observed conditions.

TWO important points to watch - ONE the track times I run this weekend with the exact same set up adding only fmic and fmic pipes

TWO - Obesrve that AMS is usuing the same exact fmic core that I am now usuing in my Buschur Racing fmic on its 775 whp evo. It would be easy for AMS to do its own test on its own car simply by taking off the monster fmic core they are currently using and substitue its normal customer fmic.

finally - the AMS fmic is a great product and served me very well with my GT35 R turbo - going 9.98 in the 1/4 at 3350 lbs and making 667 whp on a dyno queen pull - its obviously a great product. I was not trying to bash the AMS fmic in posting my results. All I was trying to say is that the new Buschur fmic made me more power - if it was not better for ultra high whp applications then I am sure that AMS would not also be using the same exact core on their 775 whp car.

 

Al,

Will you being using the nitrous shot this weekend though?

 

Martin,

I consider you guys to one of the better EVO shops out there and have nothing bad to say about you guys, EVER.

I am confused as why you are so mad at Al for getting more HP with this swap? He said all he did was change intercoolers, nothing else. You know as well as anyone that the air temps with the core you are using on your regular FMIC (same core I use on our STD and Deluxe FMIC's) get some really high intake temps when the boost is cranked. Curt switched from our FMIC to yours (same core) and is seeing 176 degree intake temps. We are seeing the same intake temps on our cars here with 30+ psi of boost. Not a big deal. I also noticed that in your dyno pull on the 2wd dyno with your car the guy filming put his hand on top of the intercooler to show how wide it is. He either has very small hands or that intercooler core is probably the same one we already released and is on AL's car. No big deal, I am just pointing out that the intake temps with the power/psi we are all running now is getting very high and not good for HP. You must also agree or you would have your regular intercooler on your shop beast.

PLEASE, don't take offense to this, I have respect for you and you are one of the few shops I do. I am just pointing out that a 40+ degree drop intake temps should make more power.

To everyone else, I am happy as hell with the results, that is a ton of power and I find it believable as I am sure the other intercooler (AMS or if it was mine) is only rated to be good for 750 FLYWHEEL HP.

I am putting the intercooler on our red shop car right now, it's being welded. I have a bunch of logs from our regular intercooler so it is going to be interesting to see what happens to the AIT's and the knock count. I am hoping I get the same results as Al!!

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

Simmer down!

I was not there for the test, but in another thread comparing the before and after of the intercooler itself he stated that he was still using the same IC pipes he had before changing the core.

I don't have a problem with you or your products, just pointing out that the same IC pipes were used, and if there were any leaks (other than at the connections to the IC itself) they were not fixed.

Later,

Keith

 

To clarify

Last Tuesday when I exploded my intake and fmic pipe at ATCO NJ with the NOS I was running the same exact 35 shot and same exact tune that made the 744 whp this week on the dyno

I intend to race this weekend with the same TUNE - SAME 35 shot - SAME boost and all same set up - minus the fmic changed for a new Buschur FMIC and Buschur fmic pipes

Last week at ATCO I did two almost identical 10.20 at 143 mph - the first was 10.20 at 142

It will be easy to compare the results at the track

 

Have you done any testing yet with the nitrous shot? I'm certainly not a nitrous expert but it seems to me like a measly 35 shot would almost be unrecognizeable to helping out a GT40?

 

I agree. Here is a link to the Nisei comparison, which includes the standard Buschur core. I can't see how Al has actually seen a Nisei and can then say it is more of an upgrade for those still using the stock turbo. It dwarfs every other IC in surface area. It is more of an upgrade for those with big turbos.

http://www.niseiengineering.com/imag...Comparison.swf

 

Very true. When i was getting a flash done by him he kept promoting buschur products and saying "you should get rid of that crappy intake and buy buschurs" i frankly dont care about their products. I mean they work good and all but whatever. I will choose the products i want. Al should give the nisei a chance, it is one of the best fmic out right now.

 

David,

Thanks for the compliments . I have no arguement with you or your new race core. My only argument is the way the test was done and the way it portrays our product. To me the #'s and results just don't make sense. I did run our standard core and it made 711whp with the tires slipping right when it hit boost. Comparing the runs before (where the tires held) that run would have been about 730whp. At this point I had 2 cylinders that had leakage past the exhaust valves. I fixed the head, swapped the stock throttle body for an Accufab 75mm Throttle body, and installed our larger race intercooler. I gained 45whp with all these things fixed/upgraded.
The new core is 4.5" thick that is on our race car.

I totally agree and support the idea that you can do better with a larger IC on an 850+hp racecar. To me the results of this low horsepower tests just seem skewed. The reason is because at this low HP level I've seen very little pressure drop across the smaller core, so I find it hard to drastically improve on. No point in arguing, I just wish the test was more representative of what HP Al's car can make. If he didn't want to push his car so hard during a test, why did he run 38-40psi of boost. To lose 60-70whp by retarding timing so much and running it that rich, it would actually hurt the car more bacause the EGT's would be through the roof and it's good chance you could warp the exh. valves.

Congrats on the new horsepower and I wish everyone good luck with their race cars and projects.

-Martin

 

I find your comments very offensive

As many people who have been members of the DSM community may know Mr. Buschur was the first pioneer of DSM perfromance in the United States many many moons ago. His accomplishments speak for themsleves. He was doing this DSM stuff before most of these so called DSM shops out there today where finished with High School.

Myself, when I started with my Evo, I first went with a lot of JDM parts that looked pretty but did not go very well

The more Buschur Parts I ad the faster I have gone

So far I have the following Buschur Racing parts all of which are the exact same parts I use on my customer's cars :

BR 3" standard exhuast
BR Alcohol injection kit
BR Mini battery kit
BR COP ignition kit
BR fmic pipe
BR fmic
BR 2.6 " Throttle Body


In addition Mr. Buschur has served as my constant advisor and mentor in the DSM world.

Mr. Buschur was the one who first came up with a lot of the ideas I use.

My results as the fastest Evo 8 without NOS and the only one in the 9's speak volumes for the results. I am a shade tree mechanic who does all of my work by hand in my home garage at night and I am 300 lbs and drive my own car at the track. If the Buschur Parts did not work I would not be fast - period.

In conclusion - it seems ironic that idiots and haters feel compelled to make negative and moronic comments such as yours. I think though that such remarks show me that I am moving in the right direction as when you are the fastest you will always have detractors and idiots who talk trash about what you are doing.

 

I agree with your observations and will add that in my test - which was hardly scientific - my clutch was slipping very much which may also have effected the results.

This is why i prefer to review the data logs and track times as that IMHO is the best judge of performance.

 

If the Nisei company wishes to provide me with a fmic to test I will be happy to give it a try and return it after my test.

 

I have no interest in educating you on how it works. My suggestion would be install it on your car and give it a shot!

 

What intake did you have at the time ?