Im thankfull that motorsport is still a sport. Planning and execution along with equipment. What if sports games were reduced to some guys sitting around just computing the probability of what team will beat what? That would be boring as hell.

i think you should all forget this 1/4 mile and 0-60 bs and let your EVOs go play in the snow and mud. They were born for it, and im sure will thank you, and you will get such a rush from pushing your machine through the toughest mother nature has to offer.

why do i suddenly feel so comfortable now with my 100ish horse in my OZ im very happy with it

 

It's funny how people are already getting their evo's before there's a road test done on US soil by any magazine. Isnt it ussually the other way around? Instead they send them to Thailand with no measuring equipment, treating the evo as if it's the next Mclaren F1 with tight security and special tracks. Maybe mitsu intended this because they thought their numbers would come out a little low?

I will always be a die hard evo fan, right now i'm a little disoriented LOL.

 

wrx: 228 hp - (30% loss)= 159 whp
evo: 271 hp - (30% loss)= 189 whp

i don't think MMC is underating.

 

Hmm... thats about what Shiv reported (with better gas)...
damn.. 30% loss...

Didn't I hear that Shiv is talking to Mitsu about the low dyno
numbers????.. I really like to know what Mitsu reponded...

 

Why all the guess work about peak HP. Peak HP does not mean anything - it is useless and only used for show bragging rights. Peak hp does not perform. Wait for the graphs to be posted and then compare the shape of the curve against the WRX to see which curve has more area under it and how wide the powerband is. Even then, take care to compare to a car that was at least run on the same dyno. Also, recall to all the people stated that Shiv's dyno reads on the low side. It is all about calibration and dyno setup. If Shiv messed around with his dyno setting, he could easily see 300hp. And then what? all of you will be happy? I would not. I actually prefer tuners, like Shiv, that test the car on a proper 4WD dyno and set it up for extra load to strain the engine more than just regular rollers of dynojet (this is my assumption, not a fact). The extra load will produce lower reading as well, but your tuning is more replicative of the real world. I have more respect for tuners that provide lower HP numbers than for tuners that advertise large and unreal power gains.

I'll give you small personal example. I have a corrado G60 (supercharged). It makes about 170hp (crank), but the torque is alwas there, there is no lag. I decided to experiment and did a turbo conversion. The car made 190 hp. All of you would probably say: oh cool it made more HP (by a whopping 20!!), it must be faster, good move. That is complete nonsense. The 190 hp peaked at about 5000rpm for a very short time. The rest of the curve looked like crap. When you compared the areas under the curve, the 170hp supercharger curve had a lot more under its belt. The turbo car was actually slower and was fun to drive for only about 1 week (as you could easily break the tires loose in 2nd gear due to the power spike), but it got old and useless real fast. I have converted back to the less HP version of the car.

So, before all of you get all upset about lower then expected peak HP number, why not wait for the actual curves that you can compare and analyze.

Maybe one of you guys is so upset about the low HP that you would want to sell me your EVO (you drove it off the lot already, so it had to deperieate by a few grand from MSRP).... anyone? I'll gladly buy your 20hp deficient EVO.... anyone.

In my own personal opinion, this thread about the peak 20hp difference is pointless.... flame away (anti-flame suit on).

 

xtnct brings up a good point. Max hp figures is just a ***** extension!

 

You guys are ****. Go fast in the real world, then you will be allowed to speculate about pointless **** on bulletin boards.

Vishnu, your conservative dyno sucks ***. 90% of people are using a dynojet and quoting dynojet numbers. Your "accurate" dyno numbers don't mean **** here on Earth. Go to the moon, homo.

 

 

Bad day at work already batman??? WHEW?!

 

So... how do you assume this? Based on a few dyno runs on a few different dynos... and no real-world performance numbers, you're comparing you're Stage 2 WRX to a stock Evo? Come on...
Leave the internet drag racing for another forum.

For all intents and purposes, we still have incomplete power & performance data on the Evo. Give it time.

If you look at things objectively, dyno numbers mean exactly squat with respect to comparing results from other dynos. You can get baseline numbers on a Dynojet or baseline numbers on a dyno such as Vishnu's... or even on a Mustang dyno. You'll get different numbers for the same car. What really matters is real-world performance and measuring the same car on the same dyno after any modifications are performed.

How's this: Let's mod the Evo to "Stage 2" specs and run it against your WRX... See the big picture now?

 

Can we see the graphs please? Also, what did the fourth Evo end up dynoing? Also, I'd like to know the mileage on the Evo's.

 

A stock EVO has already ran a 13.5@99.8 in the hands of the average owner, not a magazine, not a racecar driver. How many of you guys have ran that fast in any car, ever, let alone a stock one? Also we already know what the 4G63 can do, the EVO has only minor deviations from the 4G63s we have been using for years making tons of power. How many fast WRX guys are there in the US? Most of them are posers who should have bought a Civic.

 

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What's wrong with getting baseline numbers for a new car? You don't need real-world performance data to run a car on the dyno. Chassis dynos are used as a tool and are not meant to provide absolute hp/tq figures.

It is quite clear that Shiv is gathering as much info as he can. He's not "dyno racing."

0-60 and 1/4 mile times are useful, but they aren't the definitive benchmarks to use for performance.

 

Just an FYI, Pruven Performance in Milford CT will have Mitsu Evo 8 and parts available in the near future for hardcore enthusiasts . They will provide bolt on parts from exhaust to ECU's to full custom fabrication. The goal is to be able to buy a 500WHP package. I do not work for them, so this is an FYI. These guy have built dozens and dozens or fast cars and have a AWD Dyno as well.

Visit them at
http://www.pruvenperformance.com

Thanks for the space, and I believe the Evo8 dynos stock at around 260 WHP