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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by forbidden color
U do have to think that Manufacturer isn't going to put something that expensive on a $30,000 car if they thought it wasn't gonna help at all.
I'm sure it helps, helps sell cars that is. Just think of how many people in this thread said how they like the looks of it.
Not saying don't get the wing, I put one on my OZ and i can feel the difference between it and my stock spoiler at highway speeds, just pointing out that not everything mitsu does is to make the car faster.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:33 PM
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yeah a lot of people in the us lancer forums have claimed the bigger wing does help stabilize the car at highway speeds. so, if it helps on a us lancer, i'm sure it helps on the evo a bit more (evos are gonna corner faster, the need for downforce is greater on evo for driving competively). but the question he is asking is whether or not he should go stock or aftermarket. logic would say go stock with the better testing, paint, and carbon fiber. but, you can definitely get one as good or better in the aftermarket , it will just take a lot more research. good call on the rs though; if you want every available benefit for your track car, it seems like the wing is a good idea. just not necessary for dragging though
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 06:26 AM
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an Evo without a wing is like a man without his ******. it´s to beautyful to be spoiled!
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ.Kickz
I'm sure it helps, helps sell cars that is.....
just pointing out that not everything mitsu does is to make the car faster.

I dunno for sure but highly doubt mitsu put the spoiler to make the evo sell better. I can understand if they do it for different cars but not fot the evo. Evos always had a spoiler for a reason, it helps the car perform better.
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 04:10 PM
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Wingless MPH

Originally Posted by x838nwy
If you're talking about roads with bends in them, keep the wing. It is proven to be worth a fair chunk of time over a lap. Removing it will free up some drag but not an awful lot.

I doubt the 2mph figure. It will be caus SOME drag but unless you'rr doing crazy speeds at the 1/4 there really shouldn't be any noticable difference. I've never done any drag racing, so I am purely guessing. Years ago we timed laps in Integras with and without the wing and with it's almost 0.7sec faster as I remember and speed trap is pretty much the same if not slightly faster with the wing.

The power required to overcome drag gos up exponentially as speed increases. It is a big old curve chart, that curves up steeply. A good example of this is that if you reason that a car takes say 100 HP to go 100 MPH, then the same car should only take 200HP to go 200 MPH. We all know this is not even close to true (more like 400-550HP, dependong on how clean the car is aerodynamically). Most Evos do the quarter mile at over 100 MPH. I would say that last 20-30 MPH drag will start to become more of a factor, and I could easily believe the 2 MPH. Of course 1/4 miles are raced based on time, not MPH. Which makes me wonder if the wingless car has a quicker time (all alse being equal) Of course all else being equal is nearly impossible in racing (way too many small variables).
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Asgeir Logi
an Evo without a wing is like a man without his ******. it´s to beautyful to be spoiled!
You're scaring me. Are we talking about the wing being beautiful or a man's ******?
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by forbidden color
Evo looks like Honda Accord without the wing.
Sad, but true.

Maybe get some sort of other kind of wing? Like what time attack tuners but on their Evos. Since you kind of have a clean slate with no holes to fill. An Evo style replacement wing might give you that full race flavor for your RS.
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by alpineracer
Ok, i am placing an order for my white IX rs this week and i am prety sure that i am also going to order the wing, wicker bill, and vortex generator as well. My question is should i really get the stock parts or should i go ahead and drop the money on an aftermarket wing? I do really like the idea of having an rs with the whole mr zero lift kit or whatever you would call this, and i think it looks better stock than aftermarket. The main thing though is i want function. How much of a difference does an aftermarket setup make compared to stock? And how fast do you actualy have to be going to really realize the true benefits? Thanks for your help!

You shouldn't drop money on anything! Get that wing from Cerious Performance! It'll look sweet on that white and if you get a CF hood too!!!
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 06:59 PM
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well i went by the dealership on the way home today to order an RS. I pulled up and there was a white gsr sitting there. I got a great deal and i couldnt pass it up. I am now an ecstatic owner of a brand new evolution IX and i could not be more satisfied with my decision. I get to drive it home tomorrow and i dont think i am going to be able to sleep tonight. So i did in fact get the wing
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lexat20
Thats the first time I have heard that. R U F'n with us?
No, I don't think he is messing with you , I also heard that and I opened a topic talking about it because the STI are obataining higher trap speeds without the wing.

Seach on my name and look for the topics that I started and you will, find more information.


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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Turd Squirter
You're scaring me. Are we talking about the wing being beautiful or a man's ******?

when I read it, I get kind of scared myself. It was not suppused to come out that way! The two sentences where not to be put together. They where totally unrelated.

I do appologise.
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Old Feb 8, 2006 | 05:29 AM
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when i first bought my evo and i couldnt believe peps were buying them without the wing. Now i kind of like the look. Especially since my clearcoat on my wing is abosolutey shot.
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Old Feb 8, 2006 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KawRider
The power required to overcome drag gos up exponentially as speed increases. It is a big old curve chart, that curves up steeply. A good example of this is that if you reason that a car takes say 100 HP to go 100 MPH, then the same car should only take 200HP to go 200 MPH. We all know this is not even close to true (more like 400-550HP, dependong on how clean the car is aerodynamically). Most Evos do the quarter mile at over 100 MPH. I would say that last 20-30 MPH drag will start to become more of a factor, and I could easily believe the 2 MPH. Of course 1/4 miles are raced based on time, not MPH. Which makes me wonder if the wingless car has a quicker time (all alse being equal) Of course all else being equal is nearly impossible in racing (way too many small variables).
Just saw this one.. been quite a long time!

You are right that the drag goes up at some exponent against speed and thus the power required increases in a similar manner. I did not make clear that I was thinking more along the lines of 1/4 mile trap speeds. Assuming that your evo isn't some crazy 800whp monster, you're probably going to cross the line at somewhere near 120mph. Now, my modestly modded evo can get to 168mph (after a short while) so that approximately means that the car can produce a forward 'push' that balances the drag at 168mph at that particular rpm, say 7000. Now at 120mph the push or wheel torque going to be less by a little (around 5000rpm) but the drag is a _lot_ less because of its exponential nature - (120/168)^n. So while you have a lot less drag, you a have nearly the same push relatively speaking. So acceleration will be reduced but only very slightly and thus your quartermile speed should be lower. But I don't think you can get results that shows that the wing give a Xmph difference on a consistent basis. I mean, it's such a small variation that it will probably be clouded by other factors.
Now top speed is a totally different matter. You can sit on the throttle all you like and sure enough at the end of it all, it's just total drag against push and a slightly greater drag at low speed will make a huge difference at high speeds (as you said) so you _will_ see a lower top speed.
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Old Feb 8, 2006 | 05:30 PM
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if its bout the twisties. NO brainer... u see professional matches with twisties n stuff. Most of them emphasize heavily on a wing, downforce is needed.
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Old Feb 8, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Asgeir Logi
when I read it, I get kind of scared myself. It was not suppused to come out that way! The two sentences where not to be put together. They where totally unrelated.

I do appologise.
Hehe. For those who are sorta indifferent on the whole wingless look, check this out. I think it looks pretty damn good...



Thanks to onesicklambo for the pics!
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