TopGear Evo VIII vs STi article
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Originally posted by Rafal
And STi is like a banana, right?
And STi is like a banana, right?
Originally posted by Rafal
In March EVO (UK Magazine) they complained about brake fade on their longtermer. They said three laps and brakes are toasted.
In March EVO (UK Magazine) they complained about brake fade on their longtermer. They said three laps and brakes are toasted.
Originally posted by Claudius
Yes, that's normal if you drive hard. Subaru brakes last even less!
Yes, that's normal if you drive hard. Subaru brakes last even less!
Aren't they both using brembo 4 pistons front and 2 pistons
rear??? Why would one fade faster than the other?
Diff pads?? Diff brake lines maybe?
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Originally posted by 97itr153
I'm willing to bet that on a typical road course or an autocross track, a stock USDM STi will lap faster than a stock USDM EVO.
If you look at "Best Motoring's" lap times from Tsubuka, you will notice that the JDM EVO and the JDM STi generally put in very similar lap times, with a VERY slight edge to the EVOs. However, the JDM STi and EVO produce similar bhp. The USDM STi's 29 bhp advantage and the USDM Evo's lack of a front LSD should skew the results in the STi's favour.
Tsukuba Lap Times of STOCK Evo V, VI, VII and New shape STi from recent "Best Motoring" tests.
http://www.tuningpt.com/store/tsukuba.htm
Notice how close all the lap times are! The spread from the 2nd fastest to the 2nd slowest is only 1 second.
1:04.65 Evo V RS
1:04.93 Evo VII RS
1:05.12 Sti Type RA Spec C (2001)
1:05.15 Evo VI RS
1:05.56 Sti Spec C (2003)
1:05.57 Sti (2003)
1:05.69 Evo VI GSR
1:05.72 Evo VI GSR TME
1:05.84 STi Spec C (2001)
1:05.93 Evo VII GSR
1:07.09 Evo V GSR
It's interesting how the fastest EVO and STi are NOT the latest versions. I couldn't find anything on the EVO VIII.
I'm willing to bet that on a typical road course or an autocross track, a stock USDM STi will lap faster than a stock USDM EVO.
If you look at "Best Motoring's" lap times from Tsubuka, you will notice that the JDM EVO and the JDM STi generally put in very similar lap times, with a VERY slight edge to the EVOs. However, the JDM STi and EVO produce similar bhp. The USDM STi's 29 bhp advantage and the USDM Evo's lack of a front LSD should skew the results in the STi's favour.
Tsukuba Lap Times of STOCK Evo V, VI, VII and New shape STi from recent "Best Motoring" tests.
http://www.tuningpt.com/store/tsukuba.htm
Notice how close all the lap times are! The spread from the 2nd fastest to the 2nd slowest is only 1 second.
1:04.65 Evo V RS
1:04.93 Evo VII RS
1:05.12 Sti Type RA Spec C (2001)
1:05.15 Evo VI RS
1:05.56 Sti Spec C (2003)
1:05.57 Sti (2003)
1:05.69 Evo VI GSR
1:05.72 Evo VI GSR TME
1:05.84 STi Spec C (2001)
1:05.93 Evo VII GSR
1:07.09 Evo V GSR
It's interesting how the fastest EVO and STi are NOT the latest versions. I couldn't find anything on the EVO VIII.
I think that overall, even though the STi will have the extra gizmos and the bigger engine, the determining factor will be the driver.
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Originally posted by loudogz
too bad US got the watered-down version of the EVO...
too bad US got the watered-down version of the EVO...
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Originally posted by evomk8
With the numbers being so close, it's simply the driver and the ever-changing environment at the time of the test. The variables are so numerous it's ridiculous.
I think that overall, even though the STi will have the extra gizmos and the bigger engine, the determining factor will be the driver.
With the numbers being so close, it's simply the driver and the ever-changing environment at the time of the test. The variables are so numerous it's ridiculous.
I think that overall, even though the STi will have the extra gizmos and the bigger engine, the determining factor will be the driver.
There are plenty of drivers who have the ability to extract a 1% difference in lap times between two cars. Take a look at the racing credentials of the test drivers at "Best Motoring" and you will realize how good these drivers are.
http://www.bestmotoringvideo.com/reviewers.html
Last edited by 97itr153; Apr 4, 2003 at 06:42 PM.
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I have a feeling that if one were to go for a ride in either vehicle around the track with one of the test drivers (or Rhys Millen for example), one would be powerfully motivated to rush out and purchase whichever vehicle had been tested.
Both cars are going to kick a$$ - it's going to be the whole Mustang vs. Camaro rivalry all over again
-Josh
Both cars are going to kick a$$ - it's going to be the whole Mustang vs. Camaro rivalry all over again
-Josh
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Originally posted by JT-KGY
I do not understand the brake difference...???
Aren't they both using brembo 4 pistons front and 2 pistons
rear??? Why would one fade faster than the other?
Diff pads?? Diff brake lines maybe?
I do not understand the brake difference...???
Aren't they both using brembo 4 pistons front and 2 pistons
rear??? Why would one fade faster than the other?
Diff pads?? Diff brake lines maybe?
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Originally posted by ru4real
There could be differences in the brake pad compounds and operating temperature ranges, airflow around the brakes and wheels, cooling abilities of the rotors and calipers, brake force bias between the front and rear, GVW (the Evo is listed at 60kg lighter), unsprung weight, and weight transfer under braking.
There could be differences in the brake pad compounds and operating temperature ranges, airflow around the brakes and wheels, cooling abilities of the rotors and calipers, brake force bias between the front and rear, GVW (the Evo is listed at 60kg lighter), unsprung weight, and weight transfer under braking.
Last edited by P2x; Apr 4, 2003 at 06:03 PM.
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