wtf is this?? is this a joke??? I mean comeon where does the S2K community have groud to take **** about a ****ing evo! i think ive never seen any of us saying anything about a pos S2k!! they can talk all the **** they want to lol, im still wondering why my mom wasted her $ on an s2000!!! i will take my evo Vs prittymuch any S2K! it would have to be a pritty bad *** S2K to run a low 11 lol

 

oh man. Boy is it fun to flame without worrying about blonde or speedlimit banning me again ^___^

 

it's really just one guy (that apparently has a bunch of clout on the site) and a bunch of nutswingers. the general population seems much more level-headed.

 

It's one thing when there close races but to talk **** about the EVO when it can hand you an *** with mods, and whoop *** in every catagory but one stock for stock is a slap in the face I think someone needs to be shut up, I personally know alot of snobby *** s2000 owners that should be put in there place. Mod class EVO would embarass the s2000, stock for stock it'd be close in ONE thing... autocross, the rest is EVO.

 

Here's what I posted on their site a minute ago. Can't wait to see the responses!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"This is some funny sh&t some of you guys are posting. I am an evo owner, and word has spread to my community. Most of the posts have us laughing, as some of us think this article shows some of the ignorance other enthusiasts have for our car. I know that this can be a pissing match, but I felt obligated to post in your forum. I am going to speak for myself on this issue, and in no way represent the entire evo community. IMO, here's why I think that the evo is the better of the two cars.
1) Stock for stock the evo beats the S2000 in almost every performance category. (Especially the IX)
2) We can drive our cars the entire year safely, and have functional space inside the cabin and in the trunk.
3) "Modability" the S2000 costs A LOT of cash to make it even come close to an evo - other than for auto crossing.
4) 4g63 is a proven winner for over 14 years, and is bullet proof to over 500Hp. S2000 engine is quite impressive, but only in the upper RPM range.
5) Torque curve - Evo's have it and S2000's don't
6) Styling - personal preference, but I like the Evo much better than the S

I could be a total dick and say that I think the S2000 is a glorified Miata, but that wouldn't be fair.
Lastly, S2000's are built for only two reasons
1) auto cross cars
2) ***** patrol - kind of like the Z - people like the way both cars look, but they don't serve the same purpose the evo was intended for.

F the flame suit - bring it!!!!!!!!!!
Come to Norwalk raceway this summer and put your money where your mouth is!
I'm out.......... "

 

The S2K isn't even in our league, The guy that posted that write up on their first page is obviously offended by this very fact. If you buy an S2K you are wasting a lot of money IMHO.

The S2K only shines at AutoX/ Road course events but doesn't out shine the EVO by any means! That's it, every where else it is hurting. It is under powered, not very responsive to mods, not a very practical car for daily use (Not much room) and the power band is pretty narrow (It has improved over the years). Think of the S2K as a high school girl that peaked in High School. When you buy it, that is it, it doesn't get much better.

The EVO comes from the factory screaming and then can produce some fanatical results in anything that it trys! Drag Racing/ AutoX/ Road Course/ Car shows/ Rally Racing/ Street Racing/ unlimited tuning capabilities ect, ect.... It is know wonder that Drew Gross the guy that wrote that article was so intimidated by our EVOs.

-Nate

 

I just posted this on the thread, I bet it will stir up a hornets nest but I had to rep EVOness...

"I think that the s2000 is a nice car but when it comes down to raw ability, it is put on a pedistal until something challenges it, when it does... unless it is a damn near identical car s2000 owners cry about how it's a different vehicle and how "who cares"... then the topic of challenge is no longer relivant because "who cars about speed" and "it's owned by kids", that is your excuse when a less class automobile beats up on the car, when you guys rave about how race ready bla bla bla 9,000 RPM bla, autocross bla bla... if they were SO uncomparable then why in the world are the two cars so often on the track at the SAME time unless it is a official event? The bottom line is, at the track stock for stock... EVO and s2000 are close, drag, not even close, dyno, not even close, dirt, snow, anything besides tarmac... hell even RAIN it's not even close... MOD catagory is the same song just turned up louder, a identical WHP EVO vs. s2000 of the same HP in the mod catagory, the Evolution will STILL take it... ok, SRT-4 you guys have an arguement because it can really only do two things, be fast in a straight line and beat a school bus on an autocross track but talking smack about the EVO is ignorance. Straight up"

 

I agree here, very well said. Let me take it a step further. All you guys that argue the s2000 is in a different class car - IT doesn't matter if the car is in a different class or not!!!! Do you realize that your "sports car" is getting trounced by a "4 door grocery getter" in almost every (if not all) performance catagory??? The Evo and s2000 were both made to do one thing: Race (esp. around a track). So you tell me what "class of car" has to do with it? They were both made to go fast, and the Evo does it better, period. End of story. How can you argue that?

 

S2000's are overrated and overpriced... cost more than an MR.

Frankly I don't like the body style either.

I'm entitled to an opinion.

Bring on the shootout.

 

I'll say the s2000 also owns the evo in all categories where both are tested with the top down. Seriously, they aren't even close to similar except in price. EVO = great performance and modability. S2000 = out of the box, wind in your hair driving pleasure.

 

They are both created to go fast, on the track or on the street whatever... doesn't matter. The Evo does it better, what's so hard to understand about that?? The s2000 gets it done by being smaller and lighter. The Evo gets it done with turbocharging and AWD. Sure you can say you can't compare the 2 cars, but aren't you comparing them by racing around a race track? They're accomplishing the same goal and the Evo is faster. What don't you understand about that?

 

I'm sellin my S for an evoIX

not that it has much to do with this thread. i in no way speak for the s2000 community, I am but a lowly car nerd,

The S is all kinds of fun to drive, and it does handle very very well. The evo handles better,, but in a different way because of the AWD system and suspension set-up.

The S is a different vehicle in a different class. They just arent the same. awd vs rwd. convertable vs 4door 6spd vs 5 spd (not mr) NA vs turbo.

it is in a very real sense, apples to oranges. Yes they have four wheels, and they were designed to win races, but that is about all the similarities they share. Two different vehicles for two different purposes..

as far as elitists ****** go...every car group has them. I am sure that somewhere you can find Yugo owners who think their cars are the absolute in performance. But don't let them give all owners a bad name.

thats just my .02. (btw that article was rediculous)

there phear my e-*****!

 

Well stuff like this has already been done. Recently at the Redline Time Attack event when you compare Stock vs Stock cars.

http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/index-R.htm

Street Class AWD:
1st place: KevinJones STi 1:18.749

2nd place: Charlie Ongsingco - EVO 1:18.851

3rd place: Yukinori Tanaguchi - STi 1:19.269

Street Class RWD:
1st place/Class Champion: 2002 S2000 - Tim Kuo - www.maxrev.net 1:17.656

2nd place: BRS Autodesign - MRS 1:18.382

3rd place: Stephen Mott - 2003 350Z 1:20.674

It all comes down to driver. But seriously, with Evos crazy HP and AWD you would think that it would rule the stock vs stock class but it just doesnt. This course layout even had long straights. It just meant that the more nimble S2k flew through the corners. Of course once you start modding the EVO it truly becomes a beast. I dont think S2K can hang on Dynos. The engine is pretty much maxed out from the factory. Case in point, adding an exhaust only yields like 2whp haha. BTW, in the modified class, the evo was much faster compared to Robert Walkers S2k whose only major mods was suspension/wing/r-compounds. NO engine mods. The mods on the EVO most likely had engine mods like boost controller etc.

 

Except the S2000 was designed for the 50+ professional market looking for weekend top down fun, and has developed a large following in younger groups. The EVO succesfully crammed ridiculous performance into an economy package and is targeted directly at the younger crowd. In competition, the closest event for the two is AutoX. They compete in the same stock class in the SCCA. There, at least, the S2000 seems to consistently be the better of the two (competing at the national level). If they share that goal, then the EVO seems to come up short there. Still, they remain as dissimilar as a Cobra and a Corvette. For the most part, they are built for massively different markets.

 

This just comes down to seat time! Nothing more nothing less. If they had one professional driver drive all cars I would go with that. The EVO is hands down the easier car for just about anyone to jump in and be fast. EVOs make you think that you are a better driver than you really are. The S2K just can't compete with that. If you make a mistake in an EVO it will not punish you, try making that same mistake in a S2K. You will pay!

-Nate