Your evaluations of the EVO vs STI reads like a financial advisors 2 month plan. Best deal because of more gizmos; voiding warranty .... sheez. Reminds me of a CFO I used to have who was going to "save" us into prosperity! You just don't get it (yet). But you will when you start driving your STI; then and only then will you understand my friend that you have continuously missed the most important point for most EVO and future STI owners.

It's the FUN-O-METER! and for me it is off scale high! Even if the STI is better in every single area, it doesn't matter as the "green band" on the FUN-O-METER is more than adequate to relieve any disappointment, so get ready to hang on to your socks when you drive off the lot in your new STI! ...... then you will understand!

Have Fun!

Speedlimit.........

 

Road and Track just had a STI vs. EVO shootout and they rated the Evo better in most all the catagories except for top speed; STI was a bit higher. Thats it... Check out that story coming soon.

 

GDI probably won't make it over here yet because of US sulfur specs in the fuel hasn't come down yet. It will in the future, but not yet. Until then, GDI engines can't run with our higher sulfur fuels.

Nick

 

guys have been having that STi vs EVo debate in Asia for years now.....

There will always be guys taking one camp because of certain factors and reasons. It's all in your subjectivity- you as a person (or vendor-biased opinion) will decided on certain merits of the car. As in all cars, it's what creates the most marginal utility for you as a person.

Both are super cars for a budget price. in R&T's opinion, the evo may be a better car but like in all their comparos, some editors have dissenting views. The majority may agree on one thing but there will always be different strokes for different people. The important thing is to be objective and as a magazine, R&T does the right thing by publishing all views from the various editors.

My 2 cents

Nick

 

I think they will step up and give in on some of the things asked for. The price difference in the STi and the EVO is about $1,500 (based on 30,995 STi roumor). They could probably do front LSD and 6 speed MT and come up to the same price point. I think they will have to up their displacement so they can make the same power with more safety margin. I don't know if they will do that though. If Mitsu wants to maintain their lower price lead they will probably have to eat into their margin. This won't be an issue shince this is a hallow car and not the bread and butter. I think in the end they will end up in the same place in terms of pricing. If they do it ,I think it probably won't be until the next major rev. JMO.

 

i have inside mits info that says a ev 8 rs is soon to follow sti. thats all i know! evo 8 rs 312hp!!

 

If that's true then it'll be a major embarrassment to Subaru.
I mean 25 % more displacement and 30 more horsepower and a six speed and still not any faster to 60 or the 1/4 mile??????

 

Because of this fun I am looking at STi. Looks like first leaks are suggesting it's more loose with DCCD and front LSD. Some are telling it's harder to drive and requires more learning how to do it right, others say it's like super RWD which can easly be driven on power in turns like a real RWD but has this extra pull with some FWD. I am really dying waiting for May 1st.
BTW: www.carsdirect.com already lists EVO at MSRP (what means you can get one at this price without fighting a dealer). I wonder if it drops below in May?

 

If this is true, it is very good news. Keep them coming. I wonder what the pricing will be on it. The bad news is that it will probably be very hard to get your hands on one. If you do, they will probably want the arm that is attached to that hand and the matching leg for part of the down payment. The local Mitsu people already want a 10K markup (willing to deal down to 5K ). I can only imagine what they would want for a RS.

 

I wonder what engine they'll have in it? 2.0 or bigger?

 

I really think was caught off-guard two times. 3(?) days after unveiling the evo8 Subaru anounced the STi with all its glory. Now Subaru is pricing the STi directly against EVO8.

Did **** the hell out Subaru or what. With the success(sorta) of the WRX, Subaru doesnt want competition thats why theyre killing the competion early in the game so it wont gain traction.

 

I think does need to do some work to compete with the STI. You guys are EVO fans, that's why you back up the EVO and say, well it can compete as it is. Well consider how a person who doesn't know much about the EVO or STI would look at it. 2.5l, 300hp, 300ft lbs, 6 spd, DCCD, etc, etc, etc, or 2.0l, 271hp, 276ft lbs, 5 speed, viscous/open diffs. If they are priced within a few grand, take a wild guess which car this person would pick. This is the person needs to target if they want to have a winner financially in the long run. They'll run out of EVO fans to sell to soon enough. The average buyer will see the STI's HP # and determine right there that it's the better car.

So yea, I think should do something to compete, but will they is another story. No clue, but they don't seem much like a risk taking company to me right now. If the STI costs more than a few grand extra, they may just keep it where it's at and market it between the WRX and STI.

 

What will most influence the average buyer's purchase decision is the $64K question for the marketing department. (Personally, I could care less how many people agree with my choice.) Some buyers are more interested in straight line performance. Look at all of the 1/4 mile postings on this site already. Others are more interested in road racing and auto-x performance potential. Some may even really be interested in Rally venues, novel concept for either of these cars. Unfortunately, most will probably cling to brochure statistics and stoplight to stoplight performance which totally ignores the purpose and potential offered from either choice. Stock performance statistics only offer indications of performance potential. The majority of buyers will modify the cars to some extent anyway. The 4G63 offers a bulletproof reputation and a multitude of aftermarket upgrades from many tuners. STi performance mods will take some time to develop because it's a new product. Jury is still out on how modification friendly it will or will not be. Let's wait for realistic on the road/track competition before deciding if anyone missed the mark.

 

The fact is that we really do not know how the USDM STi will fare against the USDM EVO. Until and unless I read OFFICIAL reports from drivers with RACING experience, I will not be buying either car. Hopefully, I will get to drive both cars, but I cannot count on that given the limited quantities that are going to be available.

How much will the STi cost?
We don't really know, in spite of all the speculation!

Which one will handle better?
We don't know yet! I have yet to read a single report from a racing journalist, about how the cars handle at 10/10ths! I have yet to see lap times! If the journalist does not have the ability to extract 10/10ths from the cars, then to me, his opinion is irrelevant. End of story.

Do the European/Japanese tests count?
Since the USDM car are different, those tests will only provide good reading material for an extended stay at the toilet bowl!

 

With 312 hp stock i just hope it's the same 2L so it'll give us hope on the ralliart ecu. Damn, i hope doesn't make me trade in my car for ACD, LSD . I have the scarry feeling that it is 2.3L, 6-speed, LSD, ACD, crank window, no radio and etc....