My Ride With Tarzan Yamada in the Cyber Evo
Originally Posted by TheGVR4kid
So where are they made, genius? Considering all of them were in production before Toyota or Nissan were producing anything in America, I'd say your arguement holds about as much water as a pair of assless chaps.
The 2UZ-FE is a 4.7*L (4663*cc) version built in Tahara, Japan.
The 3UZ-FE is a 4.3*L (4292*cc) version built in Japan.
The 4.5*L (4494*cc) VK45DE was introduced in 2002 and is built in Yokohama, Japan.
Oops. Game. Set. Match. Asshat.
The 2UZ-FE is a 4.7*L (4663*cc) version built in Tahara, Japan.
The 3UZ-FE is a 4.3*L (4292*cc) version built in Japan.
The 4.5*L (4494*cc) VK45DE was introduced in 2002 and is built in Yokohama, Japan.
Oops. Game. Set. Match. Asshat.
Nissan and toyo were both producing in america or did you forget the famous z cars? Also toyota was producing the corolla back in the 70's.
Some of the engines you mentioned were made in Japan most were made in the US and imported to japan. Japan up until the recently never made their own v8 blocks. You also forget japan doesnt have metal resources like we do. They have to import all their materials from other countries. For them, its cheaper to just buy blocks then to buy the materials, ship them, then engineer their own blocks.
Now I guess it would depend on the definition of "made." Becasue mostly what japan did for their v8's was the assembling and design aspects of the engine. The actual parts were made in the US.
Ford engines say built in the US but in actuality if you trace everythign back you will find most of the parts are actually made and assembled in South america and in other asain countries due to cheap labor. Its common sense bud.
Originally Posted by trinydex
this is really ignorant. you're an engineer, go look at my thread on rotor engineering in the advanced section. look at the facts. the FACT is that the jdm rotors are not designed with very much of anything in terms of vaning, nothing clever... this is like the overhead valve overhead cam thing... technology good *grunt grunt*. and this first response really shows how much of a blind fan boy you are.
this is incorrect. i don't even know if i should cite why it's incorrect because i don't know if you know enough about suspension design. read the penske service manuals that djazair posted up. you will see that the jdm companies that service the enthusiast world are not making world class suspension and certainly NOT selling world class suspension to YOU if they did.
dude... you're speaking from macroscopic gnp gdp numbers, and also for the most part real estate is the biggest EXPENSE of most people... so are you not agreeing with me then? i said by and large MOST japanese people are not the hardcore race car building guys that you see. have you ever seen the 4ag n1 competition? some of those guys are REALLY not rich... they race the 4ags and the fits for a reason. i can't even believe you're arguing with me actually.
what are you talking about? read more carefully, i'm talkin' about stroker kits and motor BUILDING, not motor ENGINEERING. i know that the oem facilities and engineers are just as good as anywhere else and better than most. but the people that put strokers on cars... i know that lots of times the US does it better and by better i mean they sand bag more power out of it, which in the end... is what matters. and i'm gonna qualify this before you jump all over my *** about how it's balance adn not power. SHUT UP. that dori dori crap doesn't work in the real world. in the real world... your cars SHOULD be built to its VERY END and in the end chassis balance is already at the maximum, the only thing left is horsepower. you will never see an evo demolish an alms viper. do you know what an alms viper is? it's a viper that competes in WORLD CLASS racing...
if i was a hater... how would i know all this stuff? i'm not some blind hate monger of jdm stuff... i'm putting things into perspective for those who don't know better apparently. destroy track records? they "destroy track records". as in they beat STREET CAR records, particularly in the united states, why? cuz no one races street cars. and with that said you will never find an evo destroying an alms viper or a porsche gt3 cup. why? cuz those are REAL race cars that compete in REAL series. the evo is one too... but it's a different race, called RALLY and while exciting it is not dominant in roadrace.
this is good that you recognize. and btw... how is it different? cuz the cars make more hp? oh yeah... hp matters, so it's not about chassis tuning is it... it's about... horsepower... oh. my. horsepower matters don't it. and that's the thing isn't it? when it comes to ultimate potential you'd never be able to shove enough engine into an evo. that's fact. and btw lemans is not that far off from something like the time evo in terms of modification, the difference is ultimate chassis ability. jgtc wants to be lemans but since they don't have higher hp cars they tailor their series to match what they have.
they don't have nascar in other areas of the world where penske also markets their suspensions.
see i don't even understand why you want to say stuff like this. it's made in japan... so?
this is incorrect. i don't even know if i should cite why it's incorrect because i don't know if you know enough about suspension design. read the penske service manuals that djazair posted up. you will see that the jdm companies that service the enthusiast world are not making world class suspension and certainly NOT selling world class suspension to YOU if they did.
dude... you're speaking from macroscopic gnp gdp numbers, and also for the most part real estate is the biggest EXPENSE of most people... so are you not agreeing with me then? i said by and large MOST japanese people are not the hardcore race car building guys that you see. have you ever seen the 4ag n1 competition? some of those guys are REALLY not rich... they race the 4ags and the fits for a reason. i can't even believe you're arguing with me actually.
what are you talking about? read more carefully, i'm talkin' about stroker kits and motor BUILDING, not motor ENGINEERING. i know that the oem facilities and engineers are just as good as anywhere else and better than most. but the people that put strokers on cars... i know that lots of times the US does it better and by better i mean they sand bag more power out of it, which in the end... is what matters. and i'm gonna qualify this before you jump all over my *** about how it's balance adn not power. SHUT UP. that dori dori crap doesn't work in the real world. in the real world... your cars SHOULD be built to its VERY END and in the end chassis balance is already at the maximum, the only thing left is horsepower. you will never see an evo demolish an alms viper. do you know what an alms viper is? it's a viper that competes in WORLD CLASS racing...
if i was a hater... how would i know all this stuff? i'm not some blind hate monger of jdm stuff... i'm putting things into perspective for those who don't know better apparently. destroy track records? they "destroy track records". as in they beat STREET CAR records, particularly in the united states, why? cuz no one races street cars. and with that said you will never find an evo destroying an alms viper or a porsche gt3 cup. why? cuz those are REAL race cars that compete in REAL series. the evo is one too... but it's a different race, called RALLY and while exciting it is not dominant in roadrace.
this is good that you recognize. and btw... how is it different? cuz the cars make more hp? oh yeah... hp matters, so it's not about chassis tuning is it... it's about... horsepower... oh. my. horsepower matters don't it. and that's the thing isn't it? when it comes to ultimate potential you'd never be able to shove enough engine into an evo. that's fact. and btw lemans is not that far off from something like the time evo in terms of modification, the difference is ultimate chassis ability. jgtc wants to be lemans but since they don't have higher hp cars they tailor their series to match what they have.
they don't have nascar in other areas of the world where penske also markets their suspensions.
see i don't even understand why you want to say stuff like this. it's made in japan... so?
Also I love how you compare 2 completely opposite vehicles. You mention the alms viper in concordance to a 4banger. hahahahhaa
I guess next we can compare anvils to monkey wrenches?
On a side note I do know 1 4banger that can beat ANY yes Isaid ANY car in a track. Do you know what it is? I will give you a hint (its powered by a honda supercharged B18).
Originally Posted by Blue By You Evo
Very cool, i cant wait til that happens to me and i meet tarzan. How can i get a cyber evo???
The Jap's makes the best engines in the world (for the money). Dollar for dollar (or Yen), cc to cc, power to weight, power to reliability, you can't beat the performance engines (designed and manufactured) from Japan. The Jap engines made in the U.S. and abroad is a different story.
From being in Japan, talking to Japanese friends and my Japanese ex-girlfriend, I can tell you that the majority (over 50%) of people in Japan do not and can not own cars. The cars themselves are very affordable but the associated costs such as inspection, monthly parking etc is very high. Also, public transportation is so efficient that it is rare that you ever need a car to get somewhere. Actually it is the opposite as having a car is inconvenient for people as traffic is terrible and parking is hard to find.
Yes, Japanese people make a lot of money but everything is expensive there so in the end they're no better off than we are even if they make $40K working at McDonalds. The cost of a small condo in a 20 story complex is well over a million US dollars in the city - not many people can afford to buy that.
The few highly modified Japanese cars (besides rich people) you see are the results of car fanatics that spend every last penny on their car. Some people will spend their lifetime perfecting one car.
It is a very different place and culture, you really have to go there and live there to see what it really is like.
Yes, Japanese people make a lot of money but everything is expensive there so in the end they're no better off than we are even if they make $40K working at McDonalds. The cost of a small condo in a 20 story complex is well over a million US dollars in the city - not many people can afford to buy that.
The few highly modified Japanese cars (besides rich people) you see are the results of car fanatics that spend every last penny on their car. Some people will spend their lifetime perfecting one car.
It is a very different place and culture, you really have to go there and live there to see what it really is like.
Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
On a side note I do know 1 4banger that can beat ANY yes Isaid ANY car in a track. Do you know what it is? I will give you a hint (its powered by a honda supercharged B18).
SKILMATIC, your silly. you simply have no idea do you... you said penske makes only nascar suspension... you don't even know what penske makes do you? have you ever taken a look at what they offer? you should.... i think you will retract much off the hot air you have already filled this web space with.
That's freakin awesome...!
Was Tarzan loud, annoying and obnoxious? He's very cocky but he's a damn good driver so that's ok. It seems like he only acts crazy in front of the camera...
Oh and people need to stay on topic.
Was Tarzan loud, annoying and obnoxious? He's very cocky but he's a damn good driver so that's ok. It seems like he only acts crazy in front of the camera...
Oh and people need to stay on topic.
Originally Posted by KevinD
hmmm i can think of a 2.4L V8 car that can whoop the bejesus off your worlds fastest track car... know what it is? hint: chassis code R26 and it is blue and yellow...
SKILMATIC, your silly. you simply have no idea do you... you said penske makes only nascar suspension... you don't even know what penske makes do you? have you ever taken a look at what they offer? you should.... i think you will retract much off the hot air you have already filled this web space with.
SKILMATIC, your silly. you simply have no idea do you... you said penske makes only nascar suspension... you don't even know what penske makes do you? have you ever taken a look at what they offer? you should.... i think you will retract much off the hot air you have already filled this web space with.
R26, not RB 26 (dett). As in this -
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...hp&carnum=2678
EVOlutionary
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...hp&carnum=2678
EVOlutionary
Originally Posted by nutrulz
I think he's trying to say the Ariel Atom is the fastest track car. I don't agree, but I do think it would beat the bejesus off of a RB26
Originally Posted by nutrulz
I think he's trying to say the Ariel Atom is the fastest track car. I don't agree, but I do think it would beat the bejesus off of a RB26
Originally Posted by KevinD
i said R26. and its blue and yellow... its engine code is RS26... i'll give you another hint:
Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
Look, I have already explained to you the facts. If you want to ignore them thats fine. Maybe you should've explained yourself better then that way you won't have to clear up your own posts.
Also I love how you compare 2 completely opposite vehicles. You mention the alms viper in concordance to a 4banger. hahahahhaa
I guess next we can compare anvils to monkey wrenches?
On a side note I do know 1 4banger that can beat ANY yes Isaid ANY car in a track. Do you know what it is? I will give you a hint (its powered by a honda supercharged B18).
Also I love how you compare 2 completely opposite vehicles. You mention the alms viper in concordance to a 4banger. hahahahhaa
I guess next we can compare anvils to monkey wrenches?
On a side note I do know 1 4banger that can beat ANY yes Isaid ANY car in a track. Do you know what it is? I will give you a hint (its powered by a honda supercharged B18).
please... stop trying to play smoke and mirrors to prove your very ignorant and uninformed points.
alms viper, cyber evo. two race cars. which has the higher potential?
SKILMATIC, I have no idea how old you are but you are acting like a really immature teenager. I am a big JDM fan and I like Japanese sports cars but you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Stop making us Evo owners look bad.
Stop making us Evo owners look bad.