My Ride With Tarzan Yamada in the Cyber Evo
Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
What logic did you use to come up with that?
Umm . . . No. It just means that a Viper has not beat the EVO on that particular track yet. Vipers are not slow. No one ever said that.
Someone asked for evidence that an EVO could outperform a viper. If you care to dispute that, show us track times of the Cyber EVO or the TRB-02 compared to a viper where the viper was faster.
EVOlutionary
Umm . . . No. It just means that a Viper has not beat the EVO on that particular track yet. Vipers are not slow. No one ever said that.
Someone asked for evidence that an EVO could outperform a viper. If you care to dispute that, show us track times of the Cyber EVO or the TRB-02 compared to a viper where the viper was faster.
EVOlutionary
Originally Posted by value
He should sell his EVO and get a Cobra, he would fit in perfect with those domestic guys. 
Originally Posted by value
Usual hater post.
Originally Posted by KevinD
hmmm i can think of a 2.4L V8 car that can whoop the bejesus off your worlds fastest track car... know what it is? hint: chassis code R26 and it is blue and yellow...
SKILMATIC, your silly. you simply have no idea do you... you said penske makes only nascar suspension... you don't even know what penske makes do you? have you ever taken a look at what they offer? you should.... i think you will retract much off the hot air you have already filled this web space with.
SKILMATIC, your silly. you simply have no idea do you... you said penske makes only nascar suspension... you don't even know what penske makes do you? have you ever taken a look at what they offer? you should.... i think you will retract much off the hot air you have already filled this web space with.
http://www.penskeracing.com/content09.asp?
Gee maybe you would like to retract most of your hot air? Like I said penske specializes in nascar. Yes, they do some other stuff but 95% of everything they do is affiliated around nascar and american racing. Yes I know they do some lemans stuff and the ALMS events in which they tune the suspension for a porsche powered vehicle, but look at this companies history, who its founder is, what the founder did, and what he built his company around. Its driven around american racing. Period.
for specializing in nascar they have very few nascar pics in that history page hahhaahaha.
btw... how daily drivable is an ariel atom? you run around with a helmet on all the time? you run into walls often enough?
man... i'd love to drive an atom around in sd... so i could get run the **** over by some suv driven by some asstard that thinks he's driving a ferrari.
btw... how daily drivable is an ariel atom? you run around with a helmet on all the time? you run into walls often enough?
man... i'd love to drive an atom around in sd... so i could get run the **** over by some suv driven by some asstard that thinks he's driving a ferrari.
Originally Posted by trinydex
yeah i know he was referring to the atom too... funny thing is... that the atom has no aerodynamics, which according to ferrari is the most important aspect of automotive racing. and since skil is a self proclaimed mech e brain child he should know this... yet he doesn't....
I advise you to watch the video that top gear presented. Its actually quite fascinating. It may expand your horizons a little.
Originally Posted by trinydex
aw man... you don't need to go to a formula renault, most super karts will beat an atom around a tight enough track.
Originally Posted by trinydex
you should seriously evaluate what YOU said first, you had asked me to elaborated on why japanese race cars, time attackers to be specific, were not "perfect" in every form. that said... the time attack cars have NOTHING to do with OEM FACTORY. you can't even say the chassis are the same cuz they cage them, you can't say the engine or turbines are the same cuz they modify them.
please... stop trying to play smoke and mirrors to prove your very ignorant and uninformed points.
alms viper, cyber evo. two race cars. which has the higher potential?
please... stop trying to play smoke and mirrors to prove your very ignorant and uninformed points.
alms viper, cyber evo. two race cars. which has the higher potential?
I am not even arguing that F1 cars are fast and could beat the evo. I never argued that 1 bit. I think you are missing my point here.
I am not arguing that penske isnt a good suspension. Theya re the best at what they specialize in.
I am not arguing that vipers are fast cars.
But I think you are mislead by this discussion.
What I am simply saying is overall performance wise for hp/liter, # for #, dollar for dollar japanese cars are just better. Please tell me you understand that.
Originally Posted by trinydex
for specializing in nascar they have very few nascar pics in that history page hahhaahaha.
btw... how daily drivable is an ariel atom? you run around with a helmet on all the time? you run into walls often enough?
man... i'd love to drive an atom around in sd... so i could get run the **** over by some suv driven by some asstard that thinks he's driving a ferrari.
btw... how daily drivable is an ariel atom? you run around with a helmet on all the time? you run into walls often enough?
man... i'd love to drive an atom around in sd... so i could get run the **** over by some suv driven by some asstard that thinks he's driving a ferrari.
Also on their homepage the majority of it refers to NASCAR! Also the majority of their sponsored teams and drivers are NASCAR!!!!!!! Gee go figure.
But I guess you would still llike to argue facts from their actual website? Maybe you should call Mr. Penske himself up and tell him to stop putting so much nascar stuff on his website cause he doesnt do just nascar.
But hey I guess that would be asking too much?
Oh and btw, IMHO suv's should be banned. They are highly unsafe and road hazardous. And yes in a aerial atom it would be wise to wear a helmet. However, technically it would be wise to wear a helmet when your driving any vehicle because you never know what could happen.
Also because of the frame and chassis of the atom its actually safer than a regular vehicle due to the frame. Most daily cars have either a unibody frame or a rectangular frame platform that companies build a car upon. Well this does nothing for the safety of the passengers. At least the atoms frame protects the passengers which makes it a little more safer than the average vehicle. Now as far as flipping over that may be a while different deal but I dont know how you would flip an atom over? Its virtually impossible.
i was humoring at the webpage... wasn't sayin' anything about their heritage.
if you wanted to flip an atom all you would have to do is collide with another car. an open chassis vehicle is not safe. it doesn't matter what kind of framing it has, it simply is not safe. how much survival space does an atom have? none. how well does hte atom protect your from collision born projectiles? it doesn't. it's like riding a motorcycle... with 4 wheels. and if that's the case the f1 car is just as well off.
this whole arguement stemmed from you making a very uninformed, rather zealous remark. apparently that was only the tip of the iceberg as you started spouting all kinds of uninformed stuff afterwards and i've just been correcting as you go.
you say best... don't. say what you mean, say what you want to say. don't say stuff like japanese cars are perfect, or some japanese product is the best, they're not.
there is no way i wouldn't agree that japanese suspensions particularly for our cars are the best FOR THE MONEY. i RUN a japanese suspension. i will however NEVER claim that it is the best. i run japanese brakes. i hate them. i've run japanese tires, but i know that there are MUCH sticker. all this is in perspective...
if you wanted to flip an atom all you would have to do is collide with another car. an open chassis vehicle is not safe. it doesn't matter what kind of framing it has, it simply is not safe. how much survival space does an atom have? none. how well does hte atom protect your from collision born projectiles? it doesn't. it's like riding a motorcycle... with 4 wheels. and if that's the case the f1 car is just as well off.
this whole arguement stemmed from you making a very uninformed, rather zealous remark. apparently that was only the tip of the iceberg as you started spouting all kinds of uninformed stuff afterwards and i've just been correcting as you go.
you say best... don't. say what you mean, say what you want to say. don't say stuff like japanese cars are perfect, or some japanese product is the best, they're not.
there is no way i wouldn't agree that japanese suspensions particularly for our cars are the best FOR THE MONEY. i RUN a japanese suspension. i will however NEVER claim that it is the best. i run japanese brakes. i hate them. i've run japanese tires, but i know that there are MUCH sticker. all this is in perspective...
Originally Posted by trinydex
i was humoring at the webpage... wasn't sayin' anything about their heritage.
if you wanted to flip an atom all you would have to do is collide with another car. an open chassis vehicle is not safe. it doesn't matter what kind of framing it has, it simply is not safe. how much survival space does an atom have? none. how well does hte atom protect your from collision born projectiles? it doesn't. it's like riding a motorcycle... with 4 wheels. and if that's the case the f1 car is just as well off.
this whole arguement stemmed from you making a very uninformed, rather zealous remark. apparently that was only the tip of the iceberg as you started spouting all kinds of uninformed stuff afterwards and i've just been correcting as you go.
you say best... don't. say what you mean, say what you want to say. don't say stuff like japanese cars are perfect, or some japanese product is the best, they're not.
there is no way i wouldn't agree that japanese suspensions particularly for our cars are the best FOR THE MONEY. i RUN a japanese suspension. i will however NEVER claim that it is the best. i run japanese brakes. i hate them. i've run japanese tires, but i know that there are MUCH sticker. all this is in perspective...
if you wanted to flip an atom all you would have to do is collide with another car. an open chassis vehicle is not safe. it doesn't matter what kind of framing it has, it simply is not safe. how much survival space does an atom have? none. how well does hte atom protect your from collision born projectiles? it doesn't. it's like riding a motorcycle... with 4 wheels. and if that's the case the f1 car is just as well off.
this whole arguement stemmed from you making a very uninformed, rather zealous remark. apparently that was only the tip of the iceberg as you started spouting all kinds of uninformed stuff afterwards and i've just been correcting as you go.
you say best... don't. say what you mean, say what you want to say. don't say stuff like japanese cars are perfect, or some japanese product is the best, they're not.
there is no way i wouldn't agree that japanese suspensions particularly for our cars are the best FOR THE MONEY. i RUN a japanese suspension. i will however NEVER claim that it is the best. i run japanese brakes. i hate them. i've run japanese tires, but i know that there are MUCH sticker. all this is in perspective...
First is obviously of the atom second is the frame of an average everyday car. The only thing between you and yourself is the body which is mostly composed these days of fiberglass and aluminum which is very penetrable.
The frame of the atom is a mig welded bronze phosphated powder coated frame. A car would have to hit you pretty hard to penetrate that. Now I do agree that it si obviously a dangerous car due to the pure exposure the driver has to everything.
I made a zealous remark? All I said was that japanese vehicles were tuned for perfection. I didnt think you would actually take that statement in a literal manor. I would have thought you had enough sense to know that nothing is perfect in this world. Any and everything could be better. But I guess I have to make sure that some people(ie yourself) take all statements literally. The only thing you have been correcting is your own statements. I have just been correcting you everytime you post.
You were wrong about american products, you have been wrong about japanese lifestyles and their economy, you have been wrong about penske racing, and you have been wrong about analyzations.
I haven't been wrong on here because what I said was true. I have stayed consistent with what I said and here it is once again in case if you forgot.
What I am simply saying is overall performance wise for hp/liter, # for #, dollar for dollar japanese cars are just better. Please tell me you understand that.
And again I am not talking about suspensions alone I am talking about the cars as a whole! Please read more carefully. And of course japanese suspensions arent the best for american cars because american cars werent designed with japanese roads and drving styles in mind. It would be more accurate of you to say that japanese suspensions are the best for their cars, driving styles, and roads. And vice versa for american cars, driving styles, and roads. However, american driving styles usually only include oval racing and drag racing.
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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
First off, http://www.edmunds.com/media/il/feat...m.lead.340.jpg and http://www.autopi.com/frame.htm
First is obviously of the atom second is the frame of an average everyday car. The only thing between you and yourself is the body which is mostly composed these days of fiberglass and aluminum which is very penetrable.
The frame of the atom is a mig welded bronze phosphated powder coated frame. A car would have to hit you pretty hard to penetrate that. Now I do agree that it si obviously a dangerous car due to the pure exposure the driver has to everything.
I made a zealous remark? All I said was that japanese vehicles were tuned for perfection. I didnt think you would actually take that statement in a literal manor. I would have thought you had enough sense to know that nothing is perfect in this world. Any and everything could be better. But I guess I have to make sure that some people(ie yourself) take all statements literally. The only thing you have been correcting is your own statements. I have just been correcting you everytime you post.
You were wrong about american products, you have been wrong about japanese lifestyles and their economy, you have been wrong about penske racing, and you have been wrong about analyzations.
I haven't been wrong on here because what I said was true. I have stayed consistent with what I said and here it is once again in case if you forgot.
Also perfection, best, better, whatever the terminology may be is all personal perception. Certain cars are better at certain things. For instance the viper, I would put my money on the viper in a drag anyday against the evo; now will I put that same money in a rally? HELL NO!
And again I am not talking about suspensions alone I am talking about the cars as a whole! Please read more carefully. And of course japanese suspensions arent the best for american cars because american cars werent designed with japanese roads and drving styles in mind. It would be more accurate of you to say that japanese suspensions are the best for their cars, driving styles, and roads. And vice versa for american cars, driving styles, and roads. However, american driving styles usually only include oval racing and drag racing.
First is obviously of the atom second is the frame of an average everyday car. The only thing between you and yourself is the body which is mostly composed these days of fiberglass and aluminum which is very penetrable.
The frame of the atom is a mig welded bronze phosphated powder coated frame. A car would have to hit you pretty hard to penetrate that. Now I do agree that it si obviously a dangerous car due to the pure exposure the driver has to everything.
I made a zealous remark? All I said was that japanese vehicles were tuned for perfection. I didnt think you would actually take that statement in a literal manor. I would have thought you had enough sense to know that nothing is perfect in this world. Any and everything could be better. But I guess I have to make sure that some people(ie yourself) take all statements literally. The only thing you have been correcting is your own statements. I have just been correcting you everytime you post.
You were wrong about american products, you have been wrong about japanese lifestyles and their economy, you have been wrong about penske racing, and you have been wrong about analyzations.
I haven't been wrong on here because what I said was true. I have stayed consistent with what I said and here it is once again in case if you forgot.
Also perfection, best, better, whatever the terminology may be is all personal perception. Certain cars are better at certain things. For instance the viper, I would put my money on the viper in a drag anyday against the evo; now will I put that same money in a rally? HELL NO!
And again I am not talking about suspensions alone I am talking about the cars as a whole! Please read more carefully. And of course japanese suspensions arent the best for american cars because american cars werent designed with japanese roads and drving styles in mind. It would be more accurate of you to say that japanese suspensions are the best for their cars, driving styles, and roads. And vice versa for american cars, driving styles, and roads. However, american driving styles usually only include oval racing and drag racing.
any video capture during the ride?