For all you High-Horsepower guys.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Ah, yes, then because Tire Rack rates them so close, then it doesn't matter what happens on the track.
Look at this review of an M5 driver:
Many will argue that your vehicle is only as good as the tires it sits on. After having driven on the Dunlop 8080E, which came standard on my M5, these Michelin Pilot Sport A/S are fantastically better, if not the best. Dont be fooled about the All Season aspect of these tires. I first drove on these tires at the BMW M-School, and I can tell you from experience that 50MPH Slalom turns in water depth as high as 1 inch are not a problem. Of course dry conditions were phenomenal. After my experience with these tires at the M-School, it was a no brainer to buy them.
-- Review Submitted 2003-10-26
I find it very interesting that they have them at the M school, as well.
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Many will argue that your vehicle is only as good as the tires it sits on. After having driven on the Dunlop 8080E, which came standard on my M5, these Michelin Pilot Sport A/S are fantastically better, if not the best. Dont be fooled about the All Season aspect of these tires. I first drove on these tires at the BMW M-School, and I can tell you from experience that 50MPH Slalom turns in water depth as high as 1 inch are not a problem. Of course dry conditions were phenomenal. After my experience with these tires at the M-School, it was a no brainer to buy them.
-- Review Submitted 2003-10-26
I find it very interesting that they have them at the M school, as well.
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That was for all season conditions...notice the 1" of water in a slalom. You're way too hung up on these things you keep reading instead of real life, real TRACK performance. I may not live on a track, but that's the only place you even MAKE USE of the tires. If you never go to th e track, then why did you make a thread telling HIGH HP Evos to get these all season tires? That makes no sense...they'll just spin the hell out of them. You daily drive these and never push the Evo to its limit, so it doesn't matter what tires you have. You'll make no use out of that $1050 spent on these all seasons that you think are as good as ultra high performance summer tires.
I like this review, too. From Sarasota, FL A driver of a 350z.
Fantastic tire. Excellent steering feel, predictable, smooth. Does not track on highway. Quiet, considering the Z is a low slung car with minimal sound insulation. Excellent wet traction (Michelins always have), and equal dry traction. All in all a fantastic tire, worth every penny, especially if youre in the south or a climate where rain threatens unannounced, and you drive aggressively.
-- Review Submitted 2005-11-16
Fantastic tire. Excellent steering feel, predictable, smooth. Does not track on highway. Quiet, considering the Z is a low slung car with minimal sound insulation. Excellent wet traction (Michelins always have), and equal dry traction. All in all a fantastic tire, worth every penny, especially if youre in the south or a climate where rain threatens unannounced, and you drive aggressively.
-- Review Submitted 2005-11-16
Here's another from a fellow Evo Driver!
The single best most versitle performance tire on the market. For an all season, it does as well or better in all categories as dedicated summers, and wet grip is simply outstanding. Ride is firmer than most, but steering response is very good (better than the goodyear GSd3s I have now). Very quiet when new, and only slightly louder when older. After 32k the dry and wet grip was still better than most tires new. Hydro resistence is outstanding. Simply put, at least as a street tire, this is as much performance as you would ever need and then some. Never drove it in snow, but reviews are good and I have moved so Ill find out this winter when I put new pilot a/ss on my stock 17 rims. The cost is made up by longer life, with solid performance the entire time. Ive got the gsd3s now, and honestly, I dont think they are that much better (and I drove the pilots hard every day on HWY 1 in N. CA between Stinson and the city).
-- Review Submitted 2004-08-25
The single best most versitle performance tire on the market. For an all season, it does as well or better in all categories as dedicated summers, and wet grip is simply outstanding. Ride is firmer than most, but steering response is very good (better than the goodyear GSd3s I have now). Very quiet when new, and only slightly louder when older. After 32k the dry and wet grip was still better than most tires new. Hydro resistence is outstanding. Simply put, at least as a street tire, this is as much performance as you would ever need and then some. Never drove it in snow, but reviews are good and I have moved so Ill find out this winter when I put new pilot a/ss on my stock 17 rims. The cost is made up by longer life, with solid performance the entire time. Ive got the gsd3s now, and honestly, I dont think they are that much better (and I drove the pilots hard every day on HWY 1 in N. CA between Stinson and the city).
-- Review Submitted 2004-08-25
Ah just let him be. Michelins are overpriced but good tires. Just let him be in his purchase. There should be no reason this thread has gone 7 pages long.
He overspent on tires. He is happy with them. Yes we know you can get higher performing tires for half the price. He likes his expensive tires.
There we are.
He overspent on tires. He is happy with them. Yes we know you can get higher performing tires for half the price. He likes his expensive tires.
There we are.
Yes, great idea to be driving aggressively in rain. What's the point of that on the street where there is no racing or competition? Just drive normal and be safe - no need for any super performance in the rain unless competing in the rain. Again, though, we have people making claims without track times to prove it. Also, saying the dry traction is equal to the wet traction isn't saying much. Obviously, no tire's wet traction can compare to a very good tire's dry traction...it's just not possible. So, in this case, the dry traction is good for an all season tire, but nothing compared to an Advan A046 or Falken RT615, like we keep saying.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Yes, great idea to be driving aggressively in rain. What's the point of that on the street where there is no racing or competition? Just drive normal and be safe - no need for any super performance in the rain unless competing in the rain. Again, though, we have people making claims without track times to prove it. Also, saying the dry traction is equal to the wet traction isn't saying much. Obviously, no tire's wet traction can compare to a very good tire's dry traction...it's just not possible. So, in this case, the dry traction is good for an all season tire, but nothing compared to an Advan A046 or Falken RT615, like we keep saying.
Not sure how that's ironic? It means I actually go out and USE my Evo. In this case, I did not choose to purchase dedicated rally tires, since I'm already dedicated to auto-x and road racing - no room for a 4th motorsport right now.
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Ah just let him be. Michelins are overpriced but good tires. Just let him be in his purchase. There should be no reason this thread has gone 7 pages long.
He overspent on tires. He is happy with them. Yes we know you can get higher performing tires for half the price. He likes his expensive tires.
There we are.
He overspent on tires. He is happy with them. Yes we know you can get higher performing tires for half the price. He likes his expensive tires.
There we are.
hes only gonna think what he wants!
+1 RT615 is pretty much only tire that is as good as advans.
I tried a few, and conering not even close to 046 or 615s
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I tried a few, and conering not even close to 046 or 615s
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Yeah, this was quite a mistake. You paid all this money for these tires without doing research, and then you make claims without actually going to a track to verify. You really don't know how well they corner, and the speed rating means NOTHING to you. The speed rating doesn't mean you can take turns better - it only has to do with top speed stability, and I highly doubt you will EVER be need the maximum speed rating of an Advan. I challenge you to go to a real track and put down some track times to prove your claims. It's best to not say anything until you have lap times - that's what I did with my 255/40-17 Azeni RT615s. I didn't say anything until I had verifiable lap times that were outstanding. In fact, that video of me passing Z06s is with my Azenis that only cost $600 at Discount Tire, including mounting, balancing, warranty, and everything else you got. Your Michelins are not $450 better than my Azenis...
Most savvy enthusiasts know that PS2s or even regular Pilot Sports grip better in the dry than the Pilot Sport A/S. You won't find a harcore BMW or Porsche owner that would argue with that. I got a full set of PS2s in 245/40/17 with 6-7/10ths for $200 shipped. Compared to my stock Advans with similar wear, I'm surprised they do seem grip better in the turns. I'm carrying more speed and the tires don't lose traction. Not sure how much is due to the added rubber of a 245. This guy is clueless.
