Never leave your car at a dealership..
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Little update....
Picked up the car today. Everything appears to be fine, according to the service manager the install went well and they found no existing problems with the Transfer Case or the Transmission (BIG relief). The body shop had a 3rd party come out and install a new window, they did a great job of getting all of the glass out of the door and the install looks clean. The Exedy clutch on the other hand is an absolute pain in the ***!
This will be the first EVO that I've driven without a stock clutch so I'm looking for some advice. I want to learn as quick as I can on how to engage this thing without damaging the drivetrain. What suggestions, if any, do you guys have that might help me ease through the break-in period? I purchased a braided clutch line in hopes that it might help, should I install it? I'm also wondering if a new clutch makes any funny noises, the reason I am asking is so if I start hearing anything weird I don't freak out or I know what is going on if something is going wrong. I appreciate it!
Picked up the car today. Everything appears to be fine, according to the service manager the install went well and they found no existing problems with the Transfer Case or the Transmission (BIG relief). The body shop had a 3rd party come out and install a new window, they did a great job of getting all of the glass out of the door and the install looks clean. The Exedy clutch on the other hand is an absolute pain in the ***!
This will be the first EVO that I've driven without a stock clutch so I'm looking for some advice. I want to learn as quick as I can on how to engage this thing without damaging the drivetrain. What suggestions, if any, do you guys have that might help me ease through the break-in period? I purchased a braided clutch line in hopes that it might help, should I install it? I'm also wondering if a new clutch makes any funny noises, the reason I am asking is so if I start hearing anything weird I don't freak out or I know what is going on if something is going wrong. I appreciate it!
To those of you saying the dealership did it...why don't you grow up. Do you have proof of this?
As for the dealer's responsibility...why should they be responsible? There is a reason why you have insurance. Most dealers have signs on their lot or printed on their Work-Up sheet stating that they are not responsible for any loss or damage that wasn't a direct result of their negligence.
Sorry to tell ya, but you're pretty much screwed unless you have the proper insurance coverage.
As for the dealer's responsibility...why should they be responsible? There is a reason why you have insurance. Most dealers have signs on their lot or printed on their Work-Up sheet stating that they are not responsible for any loss or damage that wasn't a direct result of their negligence.
Sorry to tell ya, but you're pretty much screwed unless you have the proper insurance coverage.
Another example--if you called in to have your car insured and told the insurance company that your brother would have complete care, custody, and control of your car--guess what? They're going to tell you to have your brother insure it then.
Another example--if you take your car to a body shop and while it's there it is damaged--guess what? They're going to tell you that while the car was in the custody of the body shop and the damages incurred would be the responsibility of the shop owners.
Sure, you CAN make a claim with the insurance company. But the insurance company will subrogate and sue the shop and get all their money back. Meanwhile you pay higher insurance rates because of the claim.
I would've just sued the stealership directly, gotten the money owed to indemnify me, and then a bit more for all the trouble.
Last edited by belizelittle39439; Dec 13, 2006 at 09:00 AM. Reason: Grammatical error
Put yourself in the Dealers position, Ok yes they are dumb for leaving the car outside and unattended to, but they did lock the car (unless the Thief was either bored or stupid and broke in through the window for no reason). Thats like throwing a party and one of the guests car gets broken into and they want you to cover it. Any how he is screwed if he signed the waver, because most repair shops and dealerships make you sign a waver before they work on your car stating that any damage that may occur to your vehicle will not be covered by them.
Put yourself in the Dealers position, Ok yes they are dumb for leaving the car outside and unattended to, but they did lock the car (unless the Thief was either bored or stupid and broke in through the window for no reason). Thats like throwing a party and one of the guests car gets broken into and they want you to cover it. Any how he is screwed if he signed the waver, because most repair shops and dealerships make you sign a waver before they work on your car stating that any damage that may occur to your vehicle will not be covered by them.
That's a bad analogy. If he had gone to the dealership and was in the parts dept looking at stuff and the car was broken into--then it would have more merit.
But this gentleman left his car soley in the possession of the dealership -- that means care, custody, and control. He basically gave temporary ownership of the vehicle to the dealership. This would be the same as letting your friend borrow your car and while in his possession the car was damaged. You're not going to say "well...I guess I'll just make a claim on my insurance!" You're going to tell your friend to pay for the damages incurred while it was in his possession. Same thing here.
The waiver is there to keep the lawsuits at a minimum--because as you can tell there are very few people who actually know that contracts, waivers, and the like are never bulletproof and a good attorney can cut through them without any problem at all.
Sorry but you're wrong. The insurance typically will not pay out if the care, custody, and control of the vehicle is in the hands of another. For example--if you move your items using a bill of lading (I.e. moving company) the insurance is not liable for losses that occur due to wear and tear or any damage incurred during the move until it is passed back onto the named insured person.
Another example--if you called in to have your car insured and told the insurance company that your brother would have complete care, custody, and control of your car--guess what? They're going to tell you to have your brother insure it then.
Another example--if you take your car to a body shop and while it's there it is damaged--guess what? They're going to tell you that while the car was in the custody of the body shop and the damages incurred would be the responsibility of the shop owners.
Sure, you CAN make a claim with the insurance company. But the insurance company will subrogate and sue the shop and get all their money back. Meanwhile you pay higher insurance rates because of the claim.
I would've just sued the stealership directly, gotten the money owed to indemnify me, and then a bit more for all the trouble.
Another example--if you called in to have your car insured and told the insurance company that your brother would have complete care, custody, and control of your car--guess what? They're going to tell you to have your brother insure it then.
Another example--if you take your car to a body shop and while it's there it is damaged--guess what? They're going to tell you that while the car was in the custody of the body shop and the damages incurred would be the responsibility of the shop owners.
Sure, you CAN make a claim with the insurance company. But the insurance company will subrogate and sue the shop and get all their money back. Meanwhile you pay higher insurance rates because of the claim.
I would've just sued the stealership directly, gotten the money owed to indemnify me, and then a bit more for all the trouble.
I'm sorry but this is wrong. The Dealership is 100% responsible. The Client has a reasonable belief that the dealer will take his car and return it in the same if not BETTER shape it for repairs. They are a professional car care facility and it is their duty and liability. I probably know this because I am an Insurance agent for the State of New Jersey. His rates WILL not go up unless it is repeated offenses in the area where he lives or works or frequents. The Stealership's rates may go up. Freehold Mitsu and All Star Mistu in Sayerville have issues with theft.
I'm sorry but this is wrong. The Dealership is 100% responsible. The Client has a reasonable belief that the dealer will take his car and return it in the same if not BETTER shape it for repairs. They are a professional car care facility and it is their duty and liability. I probably know this because I am an Insurance agent for the State of New Jersey. His rates WILL not go up unless it is repeated offenses in the area where he lives or works or frequents. The Stealership's rates may go up. Freehold Mitsu and All Star Mistu in Sayerville have issues with theft.
It's called the law of large numbers. If a particular vehicle has a certain number of comprehensive claims (i.e. vandalism, theft, malicious mischief) the rates for EVERYONE owning that vehicle goes up or down accordingly. The vehicle symbol is derived from a number of variables using statistical information both nationwide, as well as per territory. The actuaries study the data and evaluate it to come up with such symbols.
There are other variables that can directly affect the client in a more immediate fashion, for example the number of previous claims (which you've already stated), the garaging location, and so forth. But trust me when I say that this incident does indeed affect both him and the dealership (in the event they file a claim).
This is just the way of things with insurance. Nothing goes unnoticed and nothing is "free".
Last edited by belizelittle39439; Dec 13, 2006 at 03:41 PM. Reason: typo
At my honda dealership you would be screwed also. we have a sign that clearly states " Not resposible for missing or stolen items" Sorry to hear about that man . Im positive it was an inside job
The sign cannot get rid of thier liability, it is there to take advantage of people. The Sign has no power at all.
, but seriosly i wouldnt recommend it!
"All cars brought in for service become the property of the dealership"
Im positive it was an inside job
