If he was purely motivated by the fear that some guy was going to harm his son why was he doing 80mph+? He could have lost control and hit someone and killed them all.

Also I am not a MP. And NO you can not draw a wepon and flash it around. That wepon should never come out of its holster unless it is going to be used.

 

Would that be before or after the guy cut off the OP and then threw a glass container at him?

You clearly failed to read the original post. Lose.

 

Guess littering is completly out of the question.

I have cut people off in traffic simply because i didnt see them. It happens....

You are assuming that everything the OP said is truth. We don't know what was going on. There are millions of things that could have been going on.

 

Fusion 7'
I partially agree with you and will use extreme caution should I need to follow someone as I have done in the past while assisting LEO's in removing a highly drunk driver from the road etc. I just wont do it with anyone else in the car with me!
What is "C&I" ?
Running from someone who is pursuing you, whom you believe to have a longarm and has shown intent to harm is the only frigen way to do it, what else would you do!?
What law was I implying that I was protected from?
As to CCW, yes I know the laws very well, that's why I was presently unarmed and vulnerable, because I was obeying the FL state law, even though I think it's stupid! I've carried in the line of duty and as a civilian, and I would NEVER present a weapon to anyone. If I were to draw, I would already have presumed immenent danger and the need to engage, I only point my weapon at that which I'm willing to destroy, as sad as that may be, with the intent to dispatch with as many rounds needed to end the conflict, even if I have to reload another mag.
BTW, you NEVER shoot to kill, you shoot to incapacitate! wink, wink!LOL

Spectre'
Yeap that's me at about 205, now I'm down to 195, but faster! LOL
I do MMA with my twin 18 year old sons, got to show them who's boss,LOL

As to what I did to **** him off, I can only imagine. I guess I must have passed him too quickly or something, nothing stands out in my mind. Shoots, I've had people flash me just for passing them in a passing zone, with miles of room. People a really strange.

 

C&I = careless and imprudent

Yes, I completly understand why you would want to run. Everyone acts differently to situations.

No, you was not implying that you was protected, i was simply stating that so everyone knows.

In the Military world, yes you shoot to incapacitate. In the civilian world you shoot to kill. Say you would have shot this guy in the leg, he can now sue you civily and win. Thats what lawyers have turned this country into. So if your going to shoot someone kill them, dead people don't hire lawyers.


Next itme anything like this comes up with anyone reading this. Get a Lic plate # and call the police. With that number the police have everything we need to pursue it. And most things just let slid off your back, slow down pull off wait a few mins let the *******s pass you and then pull back on the road. You wouldn't belive how many times people call 911 to tell us that some jerk is swerving all over the road and hitting there brakes. We gather what information they can provide then ask them to pull over and wait a few minutes. This way it keeps the drunk/pissed off driver/woman on a cellphone whatever the case may be away from the Reportign Party. They are now safe and are out of harms way. Honestly when people call this stuff in it hardly ever goes anywhere. And no its not just cops being lazy.

 

He cut up the OP. Threw a glass container at him, then followed him at high speed. Not actions one would associate with someone who's scared. The OP, on the other hand followed him a some distance back, not an aggressive action I would have thought.

I would have thought these conditions would render him unfit to drive on public roads. And I didn't get the impression that the OP was chasing him at all. Simply following him at a distance. Why would he be freaked out by this?

Well, I think this is a matter of opinion plus a good deal of hindsight. At the end of the day, that's a sensible option but in reality, I don't think many of us would have as much patience and clarity of mind to do 'the sensible thing'. From what I've read - and I can only assume is the truth - I don't think the OP did anything 'wrong' as such and perhaps behaved much more sensibly than most IMO.

As for the littering, yes, it is possible but jus because it's one of the things that happened, it doesn't mean it's the only thing. I'm no lawyer, but if I threw a bottle at another car, I'd guess the other guy would take offense AND I'd be littering at the same time.

I'm not exactly trying to start an arguement or anything, just saying that there isn't that many excuses for the guy.

 

No I'm sorry, I meant that Sgt. Blamo was an MP. I think it said that in his post. I agree that you should never draw your weapon and flash it around and that it should only clear the holster with the intent of putting a hole in someone to let blood drip out.
But if Blamo had a weapon and it became a situation where he had to defend himself and his son he would have been within his rights to clear leather on the other guy. Who knows what that guy was getting out of his trunk. Dark street guy goes to his trunk after a chase and pulls something out? what would you think?

When he went to the trunk to get a "weapon" or whatever and started chasing Blamo that would have put Blamo on the defensive where the best thing to do would be to break contact by hauling *** (in a sweet *** evo, i need to look into that Robi guy LOL). Not saying it was safe or legal, but I think you would have to agree that it was better than getting into a shootout or something similar.

The point is it's a messed up situation that should have not developed. Could have been avoided by both parties. But I don't think him hauling *** like that was wrong.

 

x838nwy,
I have seen people have medical emergencys and swerverd all over the road and drove eraticly. Other will call them in and swear up and down there drunk. And in reality they are having a heart attack. Medical conditions can happen anywhere at any time.

And he might have been following him at a safe distance, but whos to say the guy was noticing him back there and was getting nervous and further aggravated?


And the OP might not have done anything wrong in his eyes or yours or even mine. But in the guy that he was behind he might have. Everyone is diffrent and diffrent things set people off. Maybe the guy seen that his child was unrestraind and that made him upset.

 

Fusion 7,
Whoa, hold on a second. You aren’t making much sense. You actually think that not fleeing was an option? What the hell are you smoking? If someone was chasing you and you thought they had a weapon, are you saying you wouldn’t run if you didn’t have the means to defend yourself? That’s nuts!
You state the following:
“During all of that no felonies were commited. How do you know the other guy wasn't just as scared as this guy? How do you know that the other party wasn't suffering from a medical condition that caused them to have convultions and slam on the brakes? They might have blacked out for a second then came back aroudn to find some guy chasing them riding there *** and they were scared so they stoped to get a wepon out of the trunk.

You can not assume anything in this situation. The OP should have NEVER pursued the guy. Get a lic number and call the cops don't try to take matter into your own hands.”

Did you read & comprehend my original post? The subject initiated the aggression by intentionally cutting me off and then throwing an object at my car, in addition he attempted to cause damage at the least to my vehicle by maliciously and intentionally braking in a violent manner directly in front of me, maybe I didn’t make that clear enough to you. I also stated that I followed at a legal, reasonable & safe distance that could NEVER have been construed as chasing! Where did you infer that I was riding his ***? 4-5 car lengths is riding his ***!?
Please, I beg of you, tell me what law says “Do not follow” a vehicle? Is it risky, yes. Is it against the law no. I made the decision to follow and for that I’m guilty, but that is a choice some people will make and others wont. I’m not willing that criminals should be allowed to flee if I can help it! Remember, I was trained to do this kind of thing and did so for over 4 years as a Military Police officer and SRT team member. I’m sorry, I just can’t turn that part of me off.
I do agree about being careful about taking issue into ones own hands, but remember, it was a trucker, read civilian, that assisted the VA state police in capturing the DC sniper, because he got involved and blocked him in. And it will most likely be civilians who assist in stopping terrorists here at home, by being involved

 

I agree with pretty much all of that. In SGT eyes driving fast to excape was the right thing.

Now in 2 weeks when SGT and his son are coming home from a baseball game and someone crashes into the passenger side of his car because he was pursuing a car that cut him off in traffic and didnt see SGT (in the sweet *** evo) And kills his son.....He was completly innocent and is now dead because someone couldnt just take a deep breath when some jerk cut him off in traffic.

We are all the worlds best driver untill we lose control of the car. It can and will happen to everyone at somepoint in your life your going to make a mistake.

Now once SGT started to pursue the other guy there was no good ending any way you look at it. If he would have just blew it off the situation would have been avoided

 

Him throwing something at your car is not a felony. If it would have struck your car at that point it is "property damage" and that is a civil matter.

You being 4-5 cars behind that guy might have made him nervous. Everyone has there limits. Just because to you its a safe distance it might not be to him

And at no point did I say it was illegal for you to pace behind him.

And how is this guy a criminal?

 

BTW,
I'm a 43 year young patriotic veteran,father of four, married for 20 years to the same woman. I maintained a high level SC and I can tell you, I have a lot better things to do than post BS on this forum. Please don't question the integrity of what I posted, question my judgement, yes, my honesty, no, not until you have reason to doudt.
Anyways,
Thanks for your concern, all is well, some lessons learned.
Be safe, have fun & Merry christmas!

 

Peace out, glad all parties involved are home safe tonight.
Night

 

No doubt medical emergencies happen on the roads. However, I cannot think of an medical emergency that will occur then subside for just long enough for the glass container to be ejected from the vehicle and hence resume.

If one were to suffer a medical emergency on the road, would one, once recovered, not slow down safely to a stop? Or would one start a driving escapade across a residential area?

The probablity of the the OP finding this a sufferer of this rare combination of symptoms who also happens to be a nervous driver who happens to carry a baseball bat in his trunk and also decides to chase him afterwards, I would say is slim. Specially comparing that to say the other guy being somebody who's had a rough day or for some other reason in a bad mood and decided to take it on someone else...

Misunderstandings do happen. However, as far as likelihood goes, your proposal is pretty unlikely. I agree that if something happens to you on the road, then the other driver should be given the benefit of the doubt as people do plainly make mistakes. But when it happens again and again the likelihood of ill intent becomes more likely. In some cases, yielding to the offender can actually promotes further $hitty behaviour in my experience.

While throwing stuff from a car is not a felony, it may have caused and accident which would have damaged more than worldly goods. I'm pretty sure throwing things off tall buildings isn't too big a deal, but if it hit someone I'm pretty sure it would be. Similar thing here.

 

That's some crazy ** I have to say it *shiet*! Thank lord you have your evo man. I never leave home without mines hehe. My rule of thumb, if you're gonna cut people off make sure you're going fast, I seen ppl cutting me off and driving slow and yes doing the slamming brake moves too. No love for us evo drivers....