installed my ams copy intercooler and ebay pipes today
1) Why do you and others keep bringing up the o2 when it's not a direct replica of anything else on the market? There is no AMS o2 that they copied. It's just a simple o2 housing that works, so we use it.
2) It's already been proven that it has very poor performance compared to a real FMIC. I even know someone on here who took it off his car in disgust and made a coffee table out of it.
2) It's already been proven that it has very poor performance compared to a real FMIC. I even know someone on here who took it off his car in disgust and made a coffee table out of it.
Where's the "This Thread is Useless Without Factual Information" smiley?
Seriously, this thread has gone off topic and back on a thousand times.
So, here's the tally so far:
We should support our local vendors that take the time to RnD the parts they make.
Some of the "Ebay" items are direct "rip-offs" of the RnD'd items.
Some of the "rip-offs" work without issue.
Some of the "rip-offs" do not work.
Which category does the Ebay FMIC fall into?
This thread is entertaining and all, but it has NO factual information to support either of the arguments regarding the performance of the Ebay fmic.
Does the Ebay fmic rob you of power over the stocker?
Does it perform better than the stock fmic?
Does it perform just as well as the <insert name-brand here> fmic?
What numbers are out there that support your statements?
"The welds look like crap, and the end tanks look horrible." "I once had a friend that shopped on ebay, he purchased an item that was listed right below this fmic and it made his car blow up/run 800,000,000 whp." WTF kind of argument is that?
FFS, I just read through 9 pages of people talking out their *** to come to the end with no numbers or solid evidence either way.
Wow ... just ... wow.
Seriously, this thread has gone off topic and back on a thousand times.
So, here's the tally so far:
We should support our local vendors that take the time to RnD the parts they make.
Some of the "Ebay" items are direct "rip-offs" of the RnD'd items.
Some of the "rip-offs" work without issue.
Some of the "rip-offs" do not work.
Which category does the Ebay FMIC fall into?
This thread is entertaining and all, but it has NO factual information to support either of the arguments regarding the performance of the Ebay fmic.
Does the Ebay fmic rob you of power over the stocker?
Does it perform better than the stock fmic?
Does it perform just as well as the <insert name-brand here> fmic?
What numbers are out there that support your statements?
"The welds look like crap, and the end tanks look horrible." "I once had a friend that shopped on ebay, he purchased an item that was listed right below this fmic and it made his car blow up/run 800,000,000 whp." WTF kind of argument is that?
FFS, I just read through 9 pages of people talking out their *** to come to the end with no numbers or solid evidence either way.
Wow ... just ... wow.
Well if it has been proven show the results please instead of talking out the *** and I am talking charge temps that changed, pressure drops or something of that manner not the bs he say she say crap which starts idiotic rumors. All I see is people saying good things about the intercooler on various forums of different types of cars and then the 1 person your refering to which had no testing to prove the claim. The reason I bring up the O2 housing is because people say "I refuse to support a company that copies" and still buy a different product from the same company that made the intercooler is something only hiprocits do. By the way have you seen the all the o2 housings, about 3 or 4 of them look just like the ebay one. Could it be that they were all manufactured by the same company? Authority O2 housing, Megan O2 housing, DNP O2 housing, AMS O2 housing on STIKILLER.com, They all look exactly the same only difference is the ebay one is like 60.00 and the others range between 150 - 300.00 dollars.
Uh, yes, all those o2s are made in China in the same factory, then people put their name on them and jack up the price. Authority, Megan? Same stuff with a "brand" name. If AMS has now put their name on an o2, it was only recently, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just getting the Ebay folks back by playing their own game. DNP, I know nothing about, but since when is DNP a major contributor to the Evo community?
Last edited by Warrtalon; Feb 23, 2007 at 08:31 PM.
Wow I can't believe this thread isn't closed. Everytime the topic of America vs China comes up, the thread turns into a ****storm of lies, flaming, and racism. Buy what you want to buy. You bought an Evo, is that American? Hell no. The BIG question is: How does it perform? Where is the test data?
I don't understand how people can really think a $100 intercooler can compare to a $700 intercooler. It costs that much for a reason or else they wouldnt sell it for that much. It's called economics, guys.
Interesting reading. Some of the comments in here.................
The part that sucks the worse is just the title of the thread.
"installed my ams copy intercooler and ebay pipes today" What a slap in the face to a great company like AMS.
It's not an AMS copy, in order for it to be a copy it would have to perform as well as AMS's.
The part that sucks the worse is just the title of the thread.
"installed my ams copy intercooler and ebay pipes today" What a slap in the face to a great company like AMS.
It's not an AMS copy, in order for it to be a copy it would have to perform as well as AMS's.
BTW, just so we are perfectly clear. We do NOT import our intercooler cores and just slap some tanks on them. We have tested a LOT of manufacturers and a LOT of core sizes on DSM's/EVO's over the years. We have used what works the best, not what is the cheapest. Is price a concern, absolutely it is, we have to keep the costs reasonable. No way in hell ourselves or AMS can compete with a $150 FMIC. The cheapest CORE we buy is over $300. We then have to fab up end tanks, weld the tanks, buy the bracket material, form that, weld those on. Pressure test every single intercooler that we build and if it does happen to have a leak make sure whatever it is is fixed before it is shipped. Then supply couplings or whatever else the particular kit comes with. Then I have to pay that guy welding, match his SS, match his retirement, pay his workers comp, pay his health care. It is not cheap operating in the USA unless you are an illegal immigrant OR Amish. I am neither, so I am getting ****ed.
I don't care that you bought the ebay. I really really could care less. I hope you like it. Just don't slap AMS in the face comparing it to their part.
I don't care that you bought the ebay. I really really could care less. I hope you like it. Just don't slap AMS in the face comparing it to their part.
BTW, just so we are perfectly clear. We do NOT import our intercooler cores and just slap some tanks on them. We have tested a LOT of manufacturers and a LOT of core sizes on DSM's/EVO's over the years. We have used what works the best, not what is the cheapest. Is price a concern, absolutely it is, we have to keep the costs reasonable. No way in hell ourselves or AMS can compete with a $150 FMIC. The cheapest CORE we buy is over $300. We then have to fab up end tanks, weld the tanks, buy the bracket material, form that, weld those on. Pressure test every single intercooler that we build and if it does happen to have a leak make sure whatever it is is fixed before it is shipped. Then supply couplings or whatever else the particular kit comes with. Then I have to pay that guy welding, match his SS, match his retirement, pay his workers comp, pay his health care. It is not cheap operating in the USA unless you are an illegal immigrant OR Amish. I am neither, so I am getting ****ed.
I don't care that you bought the ebay. I really really could care less. I hope you like it. Just don't slap AMS in the face comparing it to their part.
I don't care that you bought the ebay. I really really could care less. I hope you like it. Just don't slap AMS in the face comparing it to their part.
1) Who said that guy didn't do any testing? He did LOTS of testing. He does all of his own logging and tuning, which is how he found out how terrible his Ebay FMIC performed.
2) Go look at page 2 or 3 of this thread and see where TheLab mentioned that ALL HE DOES is built and tune Evos, so he has no reason to care about products one way or the other, but during his testing he has found the Ebay FMICs to be very poor performers. Here's the link to hist post: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...3&postcount=32.
3) Uh, yes, all those o2s are made in China in the same factory, then people put their name on them and jack up the price. Authority, Megan? Same stuff with a "brand" name. If AMS has now put their name on an o2, it was only recently, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just getting the Ebay folks back by playing their own game. DNP, I know nothing about, but since when is DNP a major contributor to the Evo community?
2) Go look at page 2 or 3 of this thread and see where TheLab mentioned that ALL HE DOES is built and tune Evos, so he has no reason to care about products one way or the other, but during his testing he has found the Ebay FMICs to be very poor performers. Here's the link to hist post: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...3&postcount=32.
3) Uh, yes, all those o2s are made in China in the same factory, then people put their name on them and jack up the price. Authority, Megan? Same stuff with a "brand" name. If AMS has now put their name on an o2, it was only recently, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just getting the Ebay folks back by playing their own game. DNP, I know nothing about, but since when is DNP a major contributor to the Evo community?
You shouldnt call AMS knock off. Its ebay intercooler nothing more. I also own ebay tbe. I like them and i would recommand to others too but if they want brand name parts, i wont stop them. Brand names comes with people backing their parts but ebay dont. Everything made in USA is expensive and they are not always best. I'm in army, all clothes, weapons, equipments etc are made in USA. Every single one of em is made in USA. I can get same ACU, jackets, gloves etc that is made in china for 1/4 of cost. Just dont say all ebay stuffs are bad. Some are good and some are bad. I bet clothes your wearing is made in china or your electronics etc.
BTW, just so we are perfectly clear. We do NOT import our intercooler cores and just slap some tanks on them. We have tested a LOT of manufacturers and a LOT of core sizes on DSM's/EVO's over the years. We have used what works the best, not what is the cheapest. Is price a concern, absolutely it is, we have to keep the costs reasonable. No way in hell ourselves or AMS can compete with a $150 FMIC. The cheapest CORE we buy is over $300. We then have to fab up end tanks, weld the tanks, buy the bracket material, form that, weld those on. Pressure test every single intercooler that we build and if it does happen to have a leak make sure whatever it is is fixed before it is shipped. Then supply couplings or whatever else the particular kit comes with. Then I have to pay that guy welding, match his SS, match his retirement, pay his workers comp, pay his health care. It is not cheap operating in the USA unless you are an illegal immigrant OR Amish. I am neither, so I am getting ****ed.
I don't care that you bought the ebay. I really really could care less. I hope you like it. Just don't slap AMS in the face comparing it to their part.
I don't care that you bought the ebay. I really really could care less. I hope you like it. Just don't slap AMS in the face comparing it to their part.
Where's the "This Thread is Useless Without Factual Information" smiley?
Seriously, this thread has gone off topic and back on a thousand times.
So, here's the tally so far:
We should support our local vendors that take the time to RnD the parts they make.
Some of the "Ebay" items are direct "rip-offs" of the RnD'd items.
Some of the "rip-offs" work without issue.
Some of the "rip-offs" do not work.
Which category does the Ebay FMIC fall into?
This thread is entertaining and all, but it has NO factual information to support either of the arguments regarding the performance of the Ebay fmic.
Does the Ebay fmic rob you of power over the stocker?
Does it perform better than the stock fmic?
Does it perform just as well as the <insert name-brand here> fmic?
What numbers are out there that support your statements?
"The welds look like crap, and the end tanks look horrible." "I once had a friend that shopped on ebay, he purchased an item that was listed right below this fmic and it made his car blow up/run 800,000,000 whp." WTF kind of argument is that?
FFS, I just read through 9 pages of people talking out their *** to come to the end with no numbers or solid evidence either way.
Wow ... just ... wow.
Seriously, this thread has gone off topic and back on a thousand times.
So, here's the tally so far:
We should support our local vendors that take the time to RnD the parts they make.
Some of the "Ebay" items are direct "rip-offs" of the RnD'd items.
Some of the "rip-offs" work without issue.
Some of the "rip-offs" do not work.
Which category does the Ebay FMIC fall into?
This thread is entertaining and all, but it has NO factual information to support either of the arguments regarding the performance of the Ebay fmic.
Does the Ebay fmic rob you of power over the stocker?
Does it perform better than the stock fmic?
Does it perform just as well as the <insert name-brand here> fmic?
What numbers are out there that support your statements?
"The welds look like crap, and the end tanks look horrible." "I once had a friend that shopped on ebay, he purchased an item that was listed right below this fmic and it made his car blow up/run 800,000,000 whp." WTF kind of argument is that?
FFS, I just read through 9 pages of people talking out their *** to come to the end with no numbers or solid evidence either way.
Wow ... just ... wow.
This guy said it best, I think we all should leave it at that.