So it's better than the stock. !!!
That's all we need to know...

 

One more point that no one has brought up is this. The Evo is a great car, because all the parts compliment one another. Most reputable vendors realize this, and make the components to compliment not only the Evo stock parts, but the other parts in their mod path.

I remember a good friend drove my Evo here in Charlotte, after buying a pretty modded Evo, which was done with parts from pretty much everywhere. He drove mine, and couldn't believe how much faster mine was than his, with less modding.

That is why from day one my only two choices were DB and AMS. I ended up at AMS because I really hit it off with the guys there, and I got to know them because of my travels with work. I sent my car to and from their shop 3x for mods, from Charlotte, NC. Did I spend more money, absolutely, but what I ended up with was a car that could crush most cars in the SE at track events, and could be driven to and from the track, without fear of components failing either enroute, or on track. I abused this car for 20+ events per year, for 3 years, and NEVER had a failure from tune or components. Not to mention, the car was tuned so well (aggressive cams) by Martin, my wife used to drive it to work, and she has only been driving a stick for 2 years.

Cheap parts are what they are, cheap parts, and in my opinion, you will never get the performance from piecing parts together, like you would from buying a 'proven' modding solution from DB, AMS, or TT.

Again, just my .02.

 

Look for posts by me in this thread, it was posted about 2 pages earlier. Or, just got to the AMS forum, there is a post there in the 'sticky' section.

........in some instances, maybe, but in most applications, no, and based on what I have seen from cars running them at open-track events, you would be better off running stock, because the 'almost' intercooler core is so poor, and affected by heat soak.

 

Thanks for the information. Like I said before I will be adding the LT and racing intercooler this summer and will have them hook up both coolers while dynoing to show the difference.

 

I still don’t see and empirical data to suggest that the EBay FMIC is inferior, or superior for that matter. I have read through most of the EBay FMIC threads and pages and pages of opinions but it remains speculation. If the vendors are so sure of the inferiority of the unit why aren’t there any tests or dyno plots or logs etc...?

 

There is no data on this intercooler because the manufacturer does not care. They produced an IC that looks very similar to a proven one. That is all they needed to do.

If someone wants to champion their cause because they really want to believe in what they wasted their money on then it is on them. When AMS produces an IC they use a quality Garrett core and then back it up with flow ratings and put it on shop cars to demonstrate its capabilities.

Riceball -
Perhaps you think of yourself as progressive and helping the Evo community by starting this thread. Based on your responses in this thread you definitely feel that you are smarter than everyone else. If you really wanted to contribute to this community and not just get attention then you should have posted in a very different fashion and maybe done a comparison with some legitimate way of measuring your results.
Judging by your other threads I am just waiting for you to break out a hack saw and cut your springs with follow-up posts claiming that anyone who bought coilovers to improve their handling as stupid. The irony of you promoting these ICs is truly amusing as the quality of this IC seems to be directly on par with the spelling, grammar and content of your posts.

Thanks for contributing

 

Did you see this post?

That sounds to me like the ebay is better than stock since AMS advertises their unit as gaining around 15-20 whp over stock. If the ebay is down 5-8 whp, then it should still be ahead of the stock one by around 10 whp. And if it shows those gains on a dyno, then the gains with actual air flow while driving the car should be even better given the larger surface area and larger mass to resist heatsoak.

 

sure did, but i also didnt see any graphs or logs to support those claims.

 

I see no reason to doubt Martin Musial's word on this, particularly where the findings aren't particularly great for them. He said they tested it, so that's good enough for me.

 

I would be shocked to see that it resists heatsoak even half as good as the AMS unit, and if I had one of each for a track day, I would lay money that after a good long session, the Ebay unit would have a higher charge temp than even the stock one.

 

more speculation.

 

I have an Ebay intercooler. One of the newer 17 bar design. Same dimensions as the AMS intercooler. The finish and welds looked as good as any other professional welded part I have.

Just installing the IC, the car definitely felt stronger. No real boost drop, car pulled nice and consistent to redline. As for the fit, other than having the mount an aluminum bar to the top of the IC, it fit great.

Took it to get dyno tuned. Run after run the car ran strong and the HP and TQ were consistent. The stock IC when I previously dynoed didn't fair so well. Once the car got to temperature, the power started to drop.

Now the real test will be coming in the spring when the racing season starts.

Now this is my experience. There are a couple different designed ICs out on Ebay so I can't speak for any of those. These are my observations with my specific intercooler.

With that being said, something about this thread. Not everyone has a big bankroll to spend on parts. Most of my parts are either used (from EvoM members) or from Ebay (Like my IC and catback). So I am trying to get the best bang for the buck. I have nothing against vendors like BR, AMS, etc. I have parts and services from both, and would love to have the budget to buy specific parts each of these vendors. I don't have the money to spend.

 

Good write up, and I believe it is right on point.


Yeah, 15 years of experience with race cars/parts, 3 of which were in an Evo, what would I know.....

 

Nice... i will entertain this ebay ic...just want ot see fitment...any pics.

 

here's some pics of the intercooler on my car.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=156092