First of all, I agree with others that these two parts (AMS vs. Ebay) are not the same. I believe the AMS will perform better. I understand that we all work very hard for our money but AMS deserves to be supported. I don't see an Ebay/Chinese Time Attack Evo anywhere. But the owner of AMS (Martin) personally rode in the One Lap of America car all across this country and drove across the country again to enter his car in the Redline and Modified Mag Time Attacks. That effort deserves to be supported. It is what makes the mystique of owning an Evo worth all of the other crap we have to deal with in our daily lives.

 

Ooh, an internet forum social experiment. Nifty. Maybe we will get some facts/numbers out of this thread after all!

lol

 

Love threads like this. Shows the lack of intelligence of many EVO owners. How do you think the "Ebay" sellers got their products. Ripp off and Duplicate, not Research and Development. You can categorize almost anything for sale in the US as being a copy made in China, Tiawan, etc. People being cheap is whats hurting this country. Sure everyone wants to stretch their money farther in this day and age. But being so God Damn stupid as to say **** all the US companies ripping us EVO owners off. Anyone who can change oil can make these parts. Well why don't you go ahead and do that there Skippy?
I have three EVO's. But can't stand the majority of EVO owners. Its too easy today to build a decent running car. Yet enthusiasts are so smart they have to try and reinvent the wheel. Mix and match a whole bunch of **** *** parts. Then ***** their **** doesn't run right. I just had an 03 on the Dyno with that AMS knockoff intercooler. Made the first pass. Not too bad. Then it was down 20 hp for the next three runs in a row, Friend puts his hand on the intercooler. Hotter than ****. And thats with a 5000 CFM fan blowing on the front of the car. In order to tune this car we had to spray down the intercooler after each run. Abnormally more than a stock intercooler. You all can sit there in your engine armchair in front of the computer and brag about your but meter. How much faster you car is with Ebay parts. All the while saving cash. Your blingy want to be parts that are copys of originals. Give you another example. Evo IX rolls in. Nice kid. Just got the car. Lowest HP IX I ever saw with a full 3 inch TBE, ebay header and O2 housing, AEM intake, Forge manual BC. Car had 4000 miles. Pressure checked it. No leaks. A reputable Ecutek tuner was here doing Subbies and had done EVO's on this dyno before. After an hour of fighting this car on 91 octane. Would not make over 269 hp. On this dyno I have seen 237 stock. Few freak cars. Average is more like low to mid 220's. This IX would knock. Owner finally says it has a solid hub puck clutch in it. Now one would think at WOT and at 5000 rpm plus there would not be anything mechanical that would rattle and set the knock sensor on fire. Its always a learning experience on the dyno. This poor kids clutch was not installed correctly. I noted that the pedal was really low when I put it on the dyno. The noises that could be made with it pushed in and revving the engine. Almost that of a twin disk. It took some careful logging to really figure out where the engine noise or resonance period was coming from. If the car had a stock clutch and not the Exedy single setup, improperly installed at best. Car should have made 310 hp plus. Not so sure that Megan exhaust was the hot ticket either. The megan header was just barely leaking also. So do the math. Add up all the negative points to this guys mod sequence. You get the picture. I asked him to put the stock exhaust manifold back on. He said he pitched it with the shield already. NICE.
Fake is fake when it comes to parts. Only thing I will and have used on an EVO are the SSautochrome O2 housings. Cause after seeing the Invidia and Works housings on cars, before and after tests. I have better things to do with $300-500.

 

So whats the difference between what people thought about the 02 housing and what people think about this? The 02 ended up being a very good product, until we see some proof then all of this is just propoganda.

 

i'm sure the ams knockoff works great but if i would to so it over again i would just get this intercooler
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FMIC-...mZ250086853655

and do this

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=57404

it will flow more than the ams copy and supper more power and it fills out the front opening in the bumper much better . and it would be cheaper than the ams copy

 

This brings up a good point. The ebay o2 housing is "chinese junk" and yet it seems to actually increase performance. However an intercooler is much more complex device than an o2 housing (which is basically just a curved pipe)...there really is no way to tell what kind of performance the ebay fmic will have until it is actually tested. Judging by its size, material, and fin count, we can get a good idea of how it performs, but that is still only conjecture. We need numbers. There are so many other threads on this topic, why are we polluting this guy's install thread with even more of the same old tiresome arguments?

 

You can't complain about supporting US companies and such when you own multiple evo's...if the us economy was that big a concern then you would've bought american in the first place. Most ppl just seem to follow around the big vendors, once they said the o2 junk was a nice piece all the sudden it was what everyone should be buying. Please people stop using the support the USA line, obviously if you believe someone off shores is making a better suited product you are willing to buy it.

 

there are lots of foreign cars being built in the US while there are some domestic cars being built outside the country. you can't really buy a car base on where it's built anymore.

 

that looks great

 

here's a 600 whp Evo using this IC. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=600+whp%5C

from my other post

 

Yep, sure is..............so what? What power would it make with a better intercooler?

It's like the thing I said, you can paint it gold and draw teeth on it, doesn't make it a mouth and it still can't chew.

Just because it's aluminum and air blows throught it doesn't mean it works the best.

Maybe with a good intercooler that car would make 650 whp, 700 whp.

 

Just so you know that intercooler is also made by the same company. The reason I know, is because a friend of mine bought one for a dsm and cut off endtanks and made his own to fit his dsm. They have one that is the same dimensions as that one, but is 4 inches thick instead of 3 inches like the one in your link. It is a knock off of the HYBRID Intercooler, from AUSTRALIA, but I can guarantee that this intercooler is built 100% like the original because I use to own the HYBRID and compared it with my friends using the xspower one and they were just alike inside and out same turbulators and all. Here is the link, I bought one over 3yrs ago before the XSPOWER even had one out, but I do not see a problem with it.

 

well! said,

as far me? Go fast cheap ! :d

 

i agree, but evo's aren't one of those foreign cars. I wouldn't say the same to someone with a toyota built in KY. They are supporting factory workers at least.

 

maybe it would....you are one of the few in a position to prove that point.

besides being bad for business what do you feel makes this a crappy intercooler?
fin design, surface area, materials used, pressure drop, fall apart, leak all over?