installed my ams copy intercooler and ebay pipes today
i'm not insinuating that all IC with cast end tanks are going to have a heat soak problems. i'm just saying that if the XSP IC does have a heat soak problem, then one of the cause could be because the end tanks are very thick cast aluminum. an object with more mass is going to retain more heat, that's just a natural law of physics. and we know that the XSP IC is very heavy, about 10+ lbs heavier than stock. i was considering making a custom end tanks for mine when i first got it but i was too lazy. i’ll probably still give it a try this summer. if anything, it’ll at least drop some weight.
As far as more mass retaining more heat, more mass will also absorb more heat before heak soaking.
I have this same Intercooler and it fits, and works fine. Very little pressure loss (none to be exact) and definitely added some power over the stock unit. I have never been on a dyno but my 1/8 trap did go up 2MPH (85 to 87) after adding this, I don't have any 1/4 runs yet and probably wont until Maryland. I dont have any flow numbers or anything else other than that MPH change (same 93 fuel was used, no change in boost or tune for that matter). My opinion on ebay parts is if it doenst have moving parts in it then you are probably going to be fine, if it does stay away from it. Just my opinion.
i have the 17 bar intercooler on the way... and i looked up the tracking info and ups says its 19 pounds..... and thats with the box...
i havent gottan it to actally wieght it... but would ups cheat themselves with 5 pounds?
i havent gottan it to actally wieght it... but would ups cheat themselves with 5 pounds?
Oh man what an onus this thread is!! Why must it be an onus? I personally believe that if any vender comes out stating that these intercoolers are not only inferior, but worse then stock, then must insist they carry the onus of proving it to us. Now earlier a member took it upon himself to carry the onus of bolting on a ebay FMIC. It turned out that the FMIC was not an onus on the OEM turbo and gained 2 MPH in the 1/4 mile which could indicate at least 10-15 WHP. Another member cleverly pointed out that it may be the difference in days or the weather or the driver. Oh what an onus it must be to properly test a FMIC!. A dyno isn't the best way but I assume it works in terms of how fast the system is onus'd and then heat soaked.
We know that the Buschur FMIC works and works well, it reduces the onus on even the OEM turbo freeing up some 2.5PSI of pressure drop the OEM unit losses. With the less onus on air flow it increases throttle response and top end power as it boost does not fall off and is cooled better. But that isn't the argument, the argument isn't whether or not Daves/AMS's stuff works, we know it does without a doubt. We know it is quality and fits well. We just want to know how well this ebay unit works.
So which vender will step up to the plate and carry this huge onus and properly display the merits and flaws of said ebay unit. I suggest the AMS look alike that carries 17 rows, not the 15 which seems to be an older design.
Also the OBX FMIC looks great and does not appear to be an onus on OEM equipment.
We know that the Buschur FMIC works and works well, it reduces the onus on even the OEM turbo freeing up some 2.5PSI of pressure drop the OEM unit losses. With the less onus on air flow it increases throttle response and top end power as it boost does not fall off and is cooled better. But that isn't the argument, the argument isn't whether or not Daves/AMS's stuff works, we know it does without a doubt. We know it is quality and fits well. We just want to know how well this ebay unit works.
So which vender will step up to the plate and carry this huge onus and properly display the merits and flaws of said ebay unit. I suggest the AMS look alike that carries 17 rows, not the 15 which seems to be an older design.
Also the OBX FMIC looks great and does not appear to be an onus on OEM equipment.
Last edited by High_PSI; Feb 26, 2007 at 08:37 AM.
Oh man what an onus this thread is!! Why must it be an onus? I personally believe that if any vender comes out stating that these intercoolers are not only inferior, but worse then stock, then must insist they carry the onus of proving it to us. Now earlier a member took it upon himself to carry the onus of bolting on a ebay FMIC. It turned out that the FMIC was not an onus on the OEM turbo and gained 2 MPH in the 1/4 mile which could indicate at least 10-15 WHP. Another member cleverly pointed out that it may be the difference in days or the weather or the driver. Oh what an onus it must be to properly test a FMIC!. A dyno isn't the best way but I assume it works in terms of how fast the system is onus'd and then heat soaked.
We know that the Buschur FMIC works and works well, it reduces the onus on even the OEM turbo freeing up some 2.5PSI of pressure drop the OEM unit losses. With the less onus on air flow it increases throttle response and top end power as it boost does not fall off and is cooled better. But that isn't the argument, the argument lies whether or not Daves/AMS's stuff works, we know it does without a doubt. We know it is quality and fits well. We just want to know how well this ebay unit works.
So which vender will step up to the plate and carry this huge onus and properly display the merits and flaws of said ebay unit. I suggest the AMS look alike that carries 17 rows, not the 15 which seems to be an older design.
Also the OBX FMIC looks great and does not appear to be an onus on OEM equipment.
We know that the Buschur FMIC works and works well, it reduces the onus on even the OEM turbo freeing up some 2.5PSI of pressure drop the OEM unit losses. With the less onus on air flow it increases throttle response and top end power as it boost does not fall off and is cooled better. But that isn't the argument, the argument lies whether or not Daves/AMS's stuff works, we know it does without a doubt. We know it is quality and fits well. We just want to know how well this ebay unit works.
So which vender will step up to the plate and carry this huge onus and properly display the merits and flaws of said ebay unit. I suggest the AMS look alike that carries 17 rows, not the 15 which seems to be an older design.
Also the OBX FMIC looks great and does not appear to be an onus on OEM equipment.
BTW Great use of the word onus. Perhaps a little too much use though.
Oh man what an onus this thread is!! Why must it be an onus? I personally believe that if any vender comes out stating that these intercoolers are not only inferior, but worse then stock, then must insist they carry the onus of proving it to us. Now earlier a member took it upon himself to carry the onus of bolting on a ebay FMIC. It turned out that the FMIC was not an onus on the OEM turbo and gained 2 MPH in the 1/4 mile which could indicate at least 10-15 WHP. Another member cleverly pointed out that it may be the difference in days or the weather or the driver. Oh what an onus it must be to properly test a FMIC!. A dyno isn't the best way but I assume it works in terms of how fast the system is onus'd and then heat soaked.
We know that the Buschur FMIC works and works well, it reduces the onus on even the OEM turbo freeing up some 2.5PSI of pressure drop the OEM unit losses. With the less onus on air flow it increases throttle response and top end power as it boost does not fall off and is cooled better. But that isn't the argument, the argument lies whether or not Daves/AMS's stuff works, we know it does without a doubt. We know it is quality and fits well. We just want to know how well this ebay unit works.
So which vender will step up to the plate and carry this huge onus and properly display the merits and flaws of said ebay unit. I suggest the AMS look alike that carries 17 rows, not the 15 which seems to be an older design.
Also the OBX FMIC looks great and does not appear to be an onus on OEM equipment.
We know that the Buschur FMIC works and works well, it reduces the onus on even the OEM turbo freeing up some 2.5PSI of pressure drop the OEM unit losses. With the less onus on air flow it increases throttle response and top end power as it boost does not fall off and is cooled better. But that isn't the argument, the argument lies whether or not Daves/AMS's stuff works, we know it does without a doubt. We know it is quality and fits well. We just want to know how well this ebay unit works.
So which vender will step up to the plate and carry this huge onus and properly display the merits and flaws of said ebay unit. I suggest the AMS look alike that carries 17 rows, not the 15 which seems to be an older design.
Also the OBX FMIC looks great and does not appear to be an onus on OEM equipment.
It would be a some what risky move for a vendor to test the Ebay fmics. If they prove to perform similar to the vendors fmics then it would be a bad business move on the vendors part.
That being said some vendors are so sure that their product is better than the Ebay fmic so I guess they would have nothing to lose.
Damn you Word a Day Calendar!
Yeah it was on my "Word a Day Calendar" This weeks words are intended to make the user sound smarter by using Seldom used words for simple terms that add confusion to the normal minded folk. In retrospect it may have been a little excessive and who in gods name uses the word "onus" unless they wish to draw attention to themselves. I apologize for shifting the attention towards my direction and I hope that the original meaning of my post isn't lost.
Damn you Word a Day Calendar!
Damn you Word a Day Calendar!
The XSP isn't that much heavier than other larger FMICs. The stocker is about 10 lbs. (I weighed it), the Buschur Deluxe is about 20 (I weighed it), the AMS non-race is about 20 (that's been posted on here), and the Buschur Race is about 26 (which has been posted on here by a reputable source). So, you could chop off the end tanks and weld some custom ones up, but that hardly seems worth it to drop only 5 lbs. Much easier and more effective just to get a mini battery, or just skip those donuts in the morning As far as more mass retaining more heat, more mass will also absorb more heat before heak soaking.
As far as more mass retaining more heat, more mass will also absorb more heat before heak soaking.
I'm letting it go because we are seeing the gradual evlolution of logical thought being applied to the topic instead of the "cheaper is better and everyone who says different is a dum dum" caveman mentality that was going about earlier. If you wish to discuss a/v then please by all means take it to the appropriate section of the forums.
Have a grrrrrreeaat day,
mitsuorder
Have a grrrrrreeaat day,
mitsuorder