You who know me, know I have stood by the Vishnu products for a while now, and have had NO TROUBLE with the Xede, and think it is a great product. Why can the bottom go out so fast on the product? For the price of a couple Michael Bolton CD's, you can pick up a used XEDE!!

Why? The same thing is happening with the Xede's on the Subie boards(Selling CHEAP!). If I was new to the market, I surely would ****** one up.........WELL WORTH IT! But if you are in a position to sell it, you lose your butt! Is there a "bug" in them? is it just that it is hard to find a tuner to tune them? Or maybe this is all that the market will bear? I am not sure if other piggybacks lose their value as much, just thought I would ask.

For those who tossed the Xede, what did you guys go with? I personally will be switching to tuning the factory ECU, and see how it works. I just don't see someone like me "Road tweaking" either a piggyback, or a standalone. I am not that bright.

No laptop on my passenger seat, Just my Michael Bolton's Greatest hits CD collection. jk. ABBA all the way!

 

I was going to buy one, but it's hard to find a tuner to tune it.
I think that's the main reason.

 

That was my problem. Had to go 7 hours each way for a tune. If I was anywhere near Vishnu/Dyno4mance or someplace else that didn't mind tuning it, I would keep it for sure! Thanks for the reply. That is what I was thinking as well.

 

Smoke, when are you looking to get rid of yours? Is it SMART?

Dibs.

 

I am Smart, not the Xede. It is the V390, NLTS wire and the wiring harness. Complete.

 

I can think of two specific reasons, possibly 3..

1) Not many tuners want to tune with it.
2) Reflashing has decimated piggyback desirability
3) you don't hear much about it anymore.

 

Please note: this post is heavy on editorial content. There are alot of MY opinions and observations in here. I am not the Xede Guru, nor do I pretend to be...this is just how I, and I alone, see it.

If you watch Vishnu's forum in here, participation is way down over what it used to be. Only once in a blue-moon do you see the Shivster dashing off a reply. Dustin is in much more often, but not what it used to be. Also, as brought up earlier, tuners that are comfortable with the product are few and far between.

It is difficult to see actual timing with the units when data-logging...you have to log the ECU with the Tactrix cable and the Xede at the same time. Only very recently has the process been made easier via LogWorks from Innovative.

There are no spare inputs/outputs on the unit if SMART is installed...well there is the spare injector driver, but the hardware has to be modified to enable it and there is a spare PWM input, but using that for anything useful (mine is used for boost compensation based on intake temps...but has to have a specal module to convert 0-5v signal to PWM to use it...beyond the realm of many DIYers, including me...thanks Freedom!) is very hard. Due to this lack of inputs and outputs, it was not very well accepted with the Evo IX crowd...took a while to get the wiring harnesses out, jump in cost to install & tune on the IX...does not control MIVEC directly, only a reflash of the ECU, and you have to send it in...that is less popular than it used to be with the advent of ECUflash.

Vishnu even stated that the unit had run its course, there was no more they could do with it...thus they developed the ProCede as the next generation. It has one more analog input/output than the Xede and many extra digital inputs/outputs. About twice the price, too. They are supposed to be working to have it IX friendly, soon...

Last Feb/Mar/Apr they ran a big sale on Xedes with the hype of big things are coming for the Xede, when they show up you'll say that's why they did it...and you'll be glad you got one...to date the big thing has not showed...no clue what it was supposed to be, either.

With the release of Aquamist's new HFS-5 alky injection system that uses a pretty sophisticated delivery control method using an "injector" of sorts instead of varying pump speed (always bad idea in my opinion...sure I will hear about that...) I was excited about having the Xede control this system...but when you look at the fact that the Xede is maxed out on capabilities (no way to have it use a MAP sensor for triggering the alky injection, the issue with have the aux. injector driver enabled mentioned above...) I don't see that as happening.

Vishnu said they were working on an integrated ALky injection module for the Xede...never showed up for unknown reasons...maybe that was the big thing we going to be glad for???

I seem to remember (and my memory is a dangerous place...) Shiv once stating that Xede could be daisy chained to expand capabilites, but I can't seem to find the thread, and I'm sure if I did, there would be no elaboration on it.

In Vishnu's defense, they ARE supporting the ones out there, fixing the over-temp problems as they pop up, taking care of other issues with little quibbling. There are a lot of Xede users out there that are VERY intelligent about using/tuning with it, they are helpful in these forums, too.

Of the piggybacks, I think the Xede is the best of them...it has excellent CAS replication and this is very important for accuracy in timing changes. The tuning software is easy to use. It has excellent resolution (number of cells that each map can hold), is able to adjust timing by the 0.1* (ECUflash is only 1*...ECU's fault not the program), can hold two sets of maps in separate banks and can be shifted between quickly and easily for pump gas and race gas maps, hi boost/lo boost map sets, etc...

Chip torque is working on a new product that is supposed to feel much like the Xede, but with greater usefulness as far as inputs/outputs, map memory, expandability, etc. However, I really doubt that Vishnu will pick it up...they have pretty much stated they and ChipTorque are going their own ways...an amicable splitup. Pity...a unit with more capability that could do closed loop boost control, have the SMART capabilites to adjust tune on the fly based on wideband and knock, control an alky injection system well, have direct control of timing like TurboXS's unit, have logging capabilites and the inputs for sensors, and keep the stock ECU for those of us that have to live with OBDII smog scans would be "teh hawtness!"

Oh well, people in hell want ice water, and Vishnu wants the more affluent crowd associated with more expensive forced induction vehicles that have hit the market recently. Maybe the enthusiasm that I saw two years ago from them in the Evo camp will return with the Evo X...until then the Xede and any innovation with it is played out.

 

I have had mine for sale for about 4 months now from $450 and now at $350 and no one wants it....i am at a loss here...

 

Very nice post my friend........ I do notice if someone posts
someething about the Xede, the response time is a lot LONGER then it was a couple years ago. I know he (Shiv) and Dustin have always been helpful with me whenever I had a question, but the BIG problem with me is WHERE can I tune it, without making a Dynoday, or traveling hundreds of miles to get it tuned? And the fact I don't "Tweak it" or mess with the maps anyway, makes me wonder why I have it. You might as well stick the wires from the ECU into a blasting cap on a brick of C4, because if I tweak the maps, guarenteed I will blow it up!

I am just surprised that something so sofisticated and costly, seems like overnight the value is DEEP in the toilet, and am unsure WHY!? Again, this is the same price as they sell on the Subie sites, so this is NOT just an Evo price-drop. Is there something "new and improved" everyone is moving to?

 

I saw your's For Sale when you started the thread on it. I was going to reply, but didn't (IT would have been a reply like this one) didn't want to scare anyone away from your post.

What prompted me to post this, was, I saw one in the For Sale section TODAY for $220 SHIPPED?

 

I would say it has to do with all of the other non-Vishnu specific options available now. ECU Flashes have proved very powerful and work great for those users who don't know how to tune or adjust a tune themselves. This option is usually easier to get and cheaper too.

 

Another good point. I think the MORE mods you have, the more the stock ECU cannot be tuned to get the max out of your motor/mods. Will see what happens, and how much HP I have to leave on the table because I am running on a tuned ECU. Might have to make a descision while on the dyno, looking at the computer screen.

 

The only thing I can think of is this

ECUFLASH = Free
Tactrix Cable = 95.00
Evoscan = 25.00
or Mitsulogger = free
or Logworks = free, if you have an innovative wideband

For the price above you have the same power potential as xede, with more tuners available to tune your vehicle.

 

Didn't know that. Is there a database on this site, as to who tunes what? That sure would help. Thanks for the post. I can go back to what you wrote later, if I have to make changes.

 

Interesting thread. I think the above responses pretty much cover it. It was a good product for me and got me into the 11's with a 100% stock look under the hood. (with the exception of a stealthy older style Forge diverter valve.) No manual boost controller or other doodads. Also, flipping a switch to go from your pump gas to your race gas tune was really cool too.