The 50/50 split is not a bad thing and IMHO, not the problem here.

Keep in mind guys that the last time I was on the Ice doing a Ice autoX, I had the STI's covered by 4 seconds!!!! The difference here is theres not enough grip to make the car roll severly.

I really believe we can make the 50/50 split work to our advantage. The 50/50 is why the EVO is catchable when sideways. Before the mid-corner/power on push, the EVO feels fantastic. I pity the exotics!

When we fix the geometry, I think we'll really lower the lap times.

Stay tuned... Martin and I will find the answer. The goal is to offer basic (no brainer) bolt on packages in stages from mild to extreme.

 

I figured Martin would have asked Paul about this stuff, since Paul spent the last 2 years perfecting this very thing and since Paul is driving for AMS now. My Gerrard-spec Ohlins are a testament to the amazing things Paul has learned through his testing.

 

Interesting information! I watch alot of the Japanese reviews between these two cars and the Evo always wins in the handling. The big difference is the Evo in Japan has ACD/AYC, so it makes it superior through technology.

So what do you think of the RacePak G2X? Does it actually map the track for you? I would love to get more information on what the data looks like etc.

 

Warr,

Ive heard great things regarding the gerrard spec kit. In no way are we trying to say they arent worth the money or they dont deliver. Theres just a lot of stuff that can be done before moving up to a big dollar coilover kit. Thats what we're working on. We want to see how fast the bilsteins will go.

Martin and I have unlimited track time available. And unfortunatly we'll just have to do many, many, many laps to figure it out!

And one thing Ive learned in racing, if you just put on what others do, you'll just be as fast as others.

AMS is well known to be inovators of superior products and packages... They're just not busy enough with dealing with just power upgrades. These packages will be nothing short of what you expect when you bolt on one of their turbo packages or I/C or intake or......

Next up is the addition of the Whiteline rear bumpsteer kit and the AMS rear trailing arm bushings. At the track we'll test just that and then throw on a rear bar. For the next test session, we'll move on to the front with the roll center kit. And we havnt even touched springs yet, but we'll be testing those too.

 

Warr,

I do consult with Paul on a lot of things since he has a great amount of experience with the EVO. What we're doing is trying to develop basic suspension packages before going to full coilovers. I value learning from others like Paul very much but I also like to experience some of those things for myself. Plus it's really, really, really, fun to haul *** around the track in the process

 

I'm sure the research will be valuable to the community. I did not realize you were trying to come up with solutions that don't use coilovers. I don't think the Ohlins R&Ts are considered a big dollar kit, but they sure perform like one.

Oh what I would do with unlimited track time...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

oh yes, the track time is priceless!

We're thinking of some mild packages starting under $500 and going up from there. I think there is a decent market out there that would want to retain their stock shocks/struts but still want better track behavior.

 

There certainly is a market for that. Robi and Mueller already address it to some degree with their staged packages, but perhaps you can improve upon that...

 

Just keep in mind there are a number of us that would love to take advantage of Pauls R&D and drop some cash on the Ohlins, except NO ONE can get them right now. If they ever become available again, I will be buying a set and most likely have AMS corner weigh and align the thing...

The engineer in me wishes I could dial coil-overs in myself, but those are some expensive toys needed to play the game.

 

Well, that's kinda my point. I wasn't talking about AMS using Paul's work with Vishnu, but rather working together to create these new packages that actually WILL be available. Imagine if there was an outlet (AMS) with a good supplier for a setup built by Paul like the Vishnu Ohlins. Yes, it's more Ohlins fault than Vishnu, and yes the Ohlins were best for what Paul was trying to do, but I figured AMS could use the knowledge Paul has already gained rather than just doing it all from scratch.

 

Yes, I see what your saying. Hopefully Paul can find an off-the-shelf coilover that is as capable and solid as the Ohlins and more readily available.

So is the Ohlins Vishnu setup completely dead now? Bummer if it is...

 

They took it off their website due to the supply problems. If Paul can get the parent company in Sweden to jerk a knot in Ohlins USA's ***, then maybe they can continue selling the packages. Otherwise, I'll just have a nice exclusive suspension package on my Evo that no one else can get.

 

Yea I saw that Vishnu took them off their site in that "Vishnu Ohlins" thread a few weeks back.

Question, do you still have the stock rear bar on your car per the "Vishnu Ohlins" setup, or did Paul rework spring rates and such to balance a bigger rear bar?

 

Don't forget cheap. The whole point was performance per dollar. $3500 is incredibly cheap. Of course you can get the same result if you have 10 grand to dump into equipment then 30 hours of free track time setting them up. That's not a luxury most amateur racers have.

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Yea, I meant a cheap off the shelf alternative. I know Paul has said he could use Penske or Moton setups, but obviously thats big bucks.