Warning for all performance cars!!!!
Regarding the threads intent, this will have limited to no impact on many of us.
Regarding the E85 comments, it's unfortunately not an answer to "Our" problems, depending on the definition of "Our" of course.
E85's shelf life is poor and it's supply chain is challenging (note where they do and don't sell it and you may see the trend; Without subsidization it'll be pricey and yes mileage is lower which many of us may not care about but others do.
For those of you aware of the riots occuring in Mexico over E85, not that I'm an environmentalist by any means, but I don't want to be the cause of starvation.
For those of you unfamiliar, consider global economics.
And for bio-diesel... hmmm ....
Tesla... HA... I have enough problems with my laptop batteries... Not to mention, where you will "Plug in" when your 250 miles away from your home? I wonder how long it takes to charge a couple thousand laptop batteries... hmmm....
Good ole fashioned gasoline for now until we go back to diesel or bio diesel then some enhanced version of E85 is my guess.
I bet all that spent nuclear waste in Nevada would help those dyno numbers if we could just stabilize it!
Regarding the E85 comments, it's unfortunately not an answer to "Our" problems, depending on the definition of "Our" of course.
E85's shelf life is poor and it's supply chain is challenging (note where they do and don't sell it and you may see the trend; Without subsidization it'll be pricey and yes mileage is lower which many of us may not care about but others do.
For those of you aware of the riots occuring in Mexico over E85, not that I'm an environmentalist by any means, but I don't want to be the cause of starvation.
For those of you unfamiliar, consider global economics.
And for bio-diesel... hmmm ....
Tesla... HA... I have enough problems with my laptop batteries... Not to mention, where you will "Plug in" when your 250 miles away from your home? I wonder how long it takes to charge a couple thousand laptop batteries... hmmm....
Good ole fashioned gasoline for now until we go back to diesel or bio diesel then some enhanced version of E85 is my guess.
I bet all that spent nuclear waste in Nevada would help those dyno numbers if we could just stabilize it!
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Drive up prices? Don't you mean preparation?
In case a huge disaster occurred or if all the farmers decided to go on strike, we'd need to have millions of E85 in reserve.
The prices are either going to stay the same or possibly be higher w/E85. Everyone is greedy for more and just as certain parts of the middle east have profited greatly because of their precious resource, the E85 market will probably be similar. Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, and even Mexico will be the new "Dubai". Farmers and exotic cars will be the norm, and I'll buy lots of real estate and "flip" them to the farmers wanting to expand which will allow me to build my Island "DingleOasis" in the middle of Arizona.
In case a huge disaster occurred or if all the farmers decided to go on strike, we'd need to have millions of E85 in reserve.
The prices are either going to stay the same or possibly be higher w/E85. Everyone is greedy for more and just as certain parts of the middle east have profited greatly because of their precious resource, the E85 market will probably be similar. Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, and even Mexico will be the new "Dubai". Farmers and exotic cars will be the norm, and I'll buy lots of real estate and "flip" them to the farmers wanting to expand which will allow me to build my Island "DingleOasis" in the middle of Arizona.
HAHA, that's hilarious but almost practicle
Regarding the threads intent, this will have limited to no impact on many of us.
Regarding the E85 comments, it's unfortunately not an answer to "Our" problems, depending on the definition of "Our" of course.
E85's shelf life is poor and it's supply chain is challenging (note where they do and don't sell it and you may see the trend; Without subsidization it'll be pricey and yes mileage is lower which many of us may not care about but others do.
For those of you aware of the riots occuring in Mexico over E85, not that I'm an environmentalist by any means, but I don't want to be the cause of starvation.
For those of you unfamiliar, consider global economics.
And for bio-diesel... hmmm ....
Tesla... HA... I have enough problems with my laptop batteries... Not to mention, where you will "Plug in" when your 250 miles away from your home? I wonder how long it takes to charge a couple thousand laptop batteries... hmmm....
Good ole fashioned gasoline for now until we go back to diesel or bio diesel then some enhanced version of E85 is my guess.
I bet all that spent nuclear waste in Nevada would help those dyno numbers if we could just stabilize it!
Regarding the E85 comments, it's unfortunately not an answer to "Our" problems, depending on the definition of "Our" of course.
E85's shelf life is poor and it's supply chain is challenging (note where they do and don't sell it and you may see the trend; Without subsidization it'll be pricey and yes mileage is lower which many of us may not care about but others do.
For those of you aware of the riots occuring in Mexico over E85, not that I'm an environmentalist by any means, but I don't want to be the cause of starvation.
For those of you unfamiliar, consider global economics.
And for bio-diesel... hmmm ....
Tesla... HA... I have enough problems with my laptop batteries... Not to mention, where you will "Plug in" when your 250 miles away from your home? I wonder how long it takes to charge a couple thousand laptop batteries... hmmm....
Good ole fashioned gasoline for now until we go back to diesel or bio diesel then some enhanced version of E85 is my guess.
I bet all that spent nuclear waste in Nevada would help those dyno numbers if we could just stabilize it!
and what does it ALWAYS go back to... stick with oil for now. see where the rapidly approaching wall is? or shall we ignore it... oil will always be there... there's no environmental consequences. everyone should just chill about that.
it's not just about cars... it's about china and india, it's about the middle east, it's about not having fusion and it taking energy to develop it. it's about computers and the modern world requiring tons of electricity. it's about progress requiring large amounts of renewable energy. it's about national defense!
not having the next big thing lined up is NOT AN OPTION. shame on anyone that thinks otherwise.
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E85 is just one step to the right direction. It's just a partial solution to one huge and extremely complicated problem of evironmental pollution and the problematic politics that comes with it. It will take time to solve it in it's entirety. My guess is about 100 to 150 years.
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He's right. tightening restrictions on automakers for future cars will only improve things. Car manufacturers had to be forced to make [I]seatbelts[I] standard. Nobody needs so fast on the streets that emmisions or milage ratings will make that big a difference anyway. And if you are concerned about how your car does on track days, you can spend time in the garage swapping on track day, or get a dedicated track car. Or you can get a daily beater, and make your performance car the track car. Congress can only regulate cars registered for driving on public roads.
I am NOT saying that they shouldnt focus on the automotive industry. I am say that they should not focus ONLY on the automoble industry. As in my last post of the %'s of gases, Automobiles are not the ONLY source, nor is it the largest. I think that some of the focus should be moved else where. E85 is a good idea to start with, but it is NOT the thing that will fix all our problems!
does anyone realize that there's nothing wrong with a track day or a catless car if you run alcohol??? you can run as much of it as you want, it might even put carbon up into the atmosphere but IT IS CLOSED LOOP, WHAT YOU GROW IS WHAT GOES BACK UP IN THE AIR. leave the rest of it up to nature and active carbon capturing.
no one thing will fix all our problems. don't make that an excuse to ignore anything.
no one thing will fix all our problems. don't make that an excuse to ignore anything.
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You are partially correct with the first paragraph. I CAN right now put a 2000 LS1 in a 68 Camaro and not have to worry about smog or emissions, which is essentially the same. BUT when they (Congress) passes the law making emissions tested mandatory, I will NOT be able to have that engine in the car unless it can pass emmissions for the 2000 engine.
I know there are "ways" around it, but that defeats the point of fighting the law. I don't plan on being passive about it untill it passes then decide the right thing to do is to break the law. That is not the way the situation should be handled.
What "proper" channels are you talking about? So far the only way you can legally install the Non CARB part on a car in an emissions state is to declare the car for race use only and not drive it on the street, that is legally.
I am not going to get use to laws that are not in effect or ones that I can fight to not get passed. That is being LAZY!! And it isn't because I don't understand the law, I have a good understanding of them. Do you?
Don't get me wrong, I love the environment. I just don't think Congress should be able to tell me what I can put on MY car. Then tell me if I don't comply, they we take my car and not give it back. (granted that is a extremely simplified example)
I know there are "ways" around it, but that defeats the point of fighting the law. I don't plan on being passive about it untill it passes then decide the right thing to do is to break the law. That is not the way the situation should be handled.
What "proper" channels are you talking about? So far the only way you can legally install the Non CARB part on a car in an emissions state is to declare the car for race use only and not drive it on the street, that is legally.
I am not going to get use to laws that are not in effect or ones that I can fight to not get passed. That is being LAZY!! And it isn't because I don't understand the law, I have a good understanding of them. Do you?
Don't get me wrong, I love the environment. I just don't think Congress should be able to tell me what I can put on MY car. Then tell me if I don't comply, they we take my car and not give it back. (granted that is a extremely simplified example)
There are ways through the C.A.R.B. that you can have a vehicle that meets emissions tests with non-factory parts on it declared legal. You will be given a new VIN at the end and you are good to go.
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yeah, carb, and their stupid emisions laws are spreading fast through the country, the new 08 lancers already were hit with decreased hp and trq figures b/c of tighter restrictions, but like you guys said, its only applicable to the date the car was produced, like before 74 you didnt need a cat, and you could pretty much run whatever you wanted, and as long as you have a 1974 car or older you can do it now, if the laws keep getting passed, performance cars will go the way of the dodo, and i really dont want to drive some ***** *** versa or prius
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yeah, carb, and their stupid emisions laws are spreading fast through the country, the new 08 lancers already were hit with decreased hp and trq figures b/c of tighter restrictions, but like you guys said, its only applicable to the date the car was produced, like before 74 you didnt need a cat, and you could pretty much run whatever you wanted, and as long as you have a 1974 car or older you can do it now, if the laws keep getting passed, performance cars will go the way of the dodo, and i really dont want to drive some ***** *** versa or prius
No it won't. People will always find ways to make power.
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Here is a little something you may want to read about E85/corn for fuel.
One of many points is the savings of non-renewable fuel is much lower than you would think. Another point is they use the stalks to produce the sugar for the fuel, not the edible corn.
http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/0...nergy-part-ii/
One of many points is the savings of non-renewable fuel is much lower than you would think. Another point is they use the stalks to produce the sugar for the fuel, not the edible corn.
http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/0...nergy-part-ii/
why do people keep ignoring the fact that biodiesel and alcohol are the future of motors sports??? (going fast on your street car too)
look at champ... all alcohol motors.
look at lemans... diesel v10s in the front runner's cars.
why are you people squabbling over priuses which aren't even that green. if we're talkin' about emissions defferring with energy storage i MUCH PREFER hydrogen, batteries SUCK. but MAKE NO MISTAKE, hydrogen is NOT A FUEL it's a method of energy storage... a good one, but only that.
biodiesel and alcohol are also methods of energy storage... but they're not 100% manufactured by man... they're harvested, which makes them fuel... just like oil, oil is harvested from the earth.
you could try to harvest hydrogen... good luck. just back in the oil game
look at champ... all alcohol motors.
look at lemans... diesel v10s in the front runner's cars.
why are you people squabbling over priuses which aren't even that green. if we're talkin' about emissions defferring with energy storage i MUCH PREFER hydrogen, batteries SUCK. but MAKE NO MISTAKE, hydrogen is NOT A FUEL it's a method of energy storage... a good one, but only that.
biodiesel and alcohol are also methods of energy storage... but they're not 100% manufactured by man... they're harvested, which makes them fuel... just like oil, oil is harvested from the earth.
you could try to harvest hydrogen... good luck. just back in the oil game
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E85 is just one step to the right direction. It's just a partial solution to one huge and extremely complicated problem of evironmental pollution and the problematic politics that comes with it. It will take time to solve it in it's entirety. My guess is about 100 to 150 years.
