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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 10:59 PM
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it's really easy to swing the rear out when hitting a corner too soon with spool. i was on the stock yokos and undercut a turn with some gas and spun 180 degrees onto a freeway entrance. not too smart. i'm much more careful now. heh heh. at least you guys weren't hurt. lemon yellow sucks anyway.
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 11:03 PM
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Are the P45R's ok!?!?!?!
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nivekk
This is kind of a long post, so bare with me. Hear me out though, and read please.

So I never thought I'd be saying this, but I wrecked my Evo last night. Just got it a few weeks ago too, from an awesome guy here on the forums. I only have one picture of the car getting towed, but I'm sure when I post more pictures later some of you will recognize the car and either be really sad or pissed that I'd ruin such a car. Sorry guys. I definitely did wreck one of the nicest LY VIII's on these boards.

I will stand firm in saying that I am NOT what you all would call the "typical stupid young evo owner". I financed the car with my own loan, pay for it with my own money I work for, and thus I babied the living hell out of this car just like I did my SRT-4 and my Cavalier before this. I'm actually ridiculous with how well I take care of the car and have taken care of my cars. I don't beat on it, race it, or whatever. I drive the car for the love of Evo's and "import tuning" or whatever you want to call it. Its what I do. I love the whole scene.

There story is pretty short, really. I'm up here in Montclair, NJ at MSU visiting my girlfriend for the weekend. Before the day actually started and got going, one of the first things my girlfriend said after waking up is "Wow, I feel really anxious about today, I don't like it. I'm not feeling this day." We went over to Englishtown Raceway Park for the day to check out the Corvette and late model Mopar muscle challenge - it was really cool, loads of fast chargers and vettes. We went out to Applebee's for dinner and afterward decided to go for a little drive - we just didn't really feel like going back to the dorm quite yet. She directed me to a road she's travelled on quite often, and cited it as being fun for its curvey nature and small S-bends. I was like "sure, why not, lets go for it." and we decided to be off. I went up a small hill and inside of a small valley between some rocks and hills. Not speeding. Around the first turn there was a section of the road that was for whatever reason wet, so by no choice of my own and unavoidably, my tires became wet but not soaked - the road was simple damp with the water, it wasn't a puddle or anything. After that, we took one turn, and then one more. The last turn we took I downshifed to 4th from about 40mph in 5th gear, came out of the apex of the very slight 10 degree turn and accelerated with about half throttle. I gave a little more gas than I normally would - I'm not going to sit here and claim that I did absolutely nothing to contribute, but I have pushed the car harder before with no ill consequences. The amount of throttle I gave the car was barely what you would call "getting on it" or whatever. The turbo began to spool a little and I probably was going about 50-55mph when the back end of the car felt like it kicked out a bit to the right. This caused the nose of the car to face east which was the oncoming lane. The car continued to slide toward the oncoming lane and it's curb regardless of my andrenaline-induced attempt to counter steer and apply brakes. The front driver's side struck the tall curb first, turned slightly so that the passenger side front slammed it. The car was probably a few inches off the ground when it turned 180 degrees and struck a tree directly in the back bumper/deck lid.

The front of the car is severely damaged. The hood is dented up, and the passenger side wheel/control arm is bent up and out of the fender and its camber is completely out of wack. I couldn't see, but I'm sure the axle is bent or gone too. The back of the car's rear bumper is totally ****ed, along with the rear frame behind the crashbeam seemingly popped up and creased inside - lifting the trunk floor up to almost the deck lid. The wing was untouched. Most of the car's damage is in the front end. The whole front starting on the passenger side is mushed in toward the motor. The motor was running after the impact, and the airbags didn't deploy. The motor didn't seem displaced at all.

I haven't seen the car since the crash - its sitting at the local tow lot, I've still got to go see it on Tuesday.

All I can really say is that I am glad that my girlfriend is okay and that I'm unhurt. It could've been way worse, and one of my friends could've posted on here about serious injuries or even death. Trees tend to cause that - they don't budge.

I received no tickets from the officers who reported to the accident, and they attributed the crash mostly on the patch of road that was wet. But it definitely shouldn't have happened that easily. I've driven on the BFG KDW's in much worse weather, both on my SRT-4 and in this Evo, and I have never experienced such total and complete failure in traction traveling in a straight line. I don't really understand what caused the traction loss - the small amount of moisture on the tires is NOTHING compared to the WOTs I've done IN THE RAIN with no ill effect. BFG will be hearing from me I'm sure, because I'm pretty sure their tires do NOT work as advertised. All over the website they claim the KDWs will ensure that I can "drive in wet conditions with confidence!". I say its bull****, but thats a whole different issue.

Haven't heard from an adjuster yet - still waiting on that. I'm sure the car is totalled though. Sorry guys, never thought I'd ever have to post something like this. I'm sure you flamers will want to start with your "oh great now my insurance will go up" bull****, so go for it. Doesn't matter. The road was narrow and an experienced racecar driver could've probably corrected the loss of traction to turn out less bad, but I promise that anybody would've still hit at least the curb.

This is the only picture I have so far. I'll probably be parting the car out soon depending on whether or not it gets totalled.



Any comments welcome, but I don't appreciate pointless flame.


this is why you wrecked.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 12:44 AM
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any before pictures?
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 05:59 AM
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Glad you are OK, though man!! Good luck working everything out.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DontRevMe
this is why you wrecked.
YEP!!! Brakes are what did you in. You would of been better to stay on the gas a little.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:13 AM
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wow, that car is sweet!
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:29 AM
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it was the tires,kdw, i never liked the way they looked, like a slick with a few cut in them.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:40 AM
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Sorry for your lost, but this is why people should go to a local autox event and practice driving your car fast under a controlled environment so you know where the car limits is. I don’t know why people get in an Evo for the first time and think they’re super and can defy the laws of physics. It’s a good thing that you didn’t hurt yourself or any innocent bystander.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kinloch99
it was the tires,kdw, i never liked the way they looked, like a slick with a few cut in them.

Not true. KDW's have good all-weather traction. When I had KD's on the car, I had horrible wet traction which is the reason I made the change for KDW's
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:52 AM
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damn poor car, very nicely done 2. Glad that u both are ok cars can always be replaced.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by honda-guy
I don’t know why people get in an Evo for the first time and think they’re super and can defy the laws of physics.
I tried explaining in the post that I was not pushing the car to its limits or trying defying the laws of physics, nor did I think I was super. I cleared a turn and began to accelerate after the car had been straight just like you would do even during normal driving.

I driven the car harder before, in rain, in dry, and it never failed me. So I had no reason to think this time would be any different - especially since it was driving nowhere near the limits of the car or anywhere close to where I've taken it before. But obviously my thought process didn't work too well for me.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DontRevMe
this is why you wrecked.
yeah, hindsight is 20/20. If your backend gave away in a narrow road going 50mph, are you sure you'd be able to keep mental composure to make perfect decisions about how to correct an out of control car? I sure couldn't. I guess its inexperience.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nivekk
I tried explaining in the post that I was not pushing the car to its limits or trying defying the laws of physics, nor did I think I was super. I cleared a turn and began to accelerate after the car had been straight just like you would do even during normal driving.

I driven the car harder before, in rain, in dry, and it never failed me. So I had no reason to think this time would be any different - especially since it was driving nowhere near the limits of the car or anywhere close to where I've taken it before. But obviously my thought process didn't work too well for me.
I feel you man. I spun mine out (no major damage, thank God) in the exact same way and I was baffled. I had pushed it way harder than that before and for some reason, it just went crazy. I think that if you enter a turn too quickly in an evo, especially with brakes applied as the spin begins, that the tires break loose under much lower lateral pull than under throttle coming out of a turn. I guess AWD and ACD don't mean much if you're not on the throttle
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Nivekk
yeah, hindsight is 20/20. If your backend gave away in a narrow road going 50mph, are you sure you'd be able to keep mental composure to make perfect decisions about how to correct an out of control car? I sure couldn't. I guess its inexperience.
If you dont mind me asking or mind telling, How many years have you been driving? How many rear wheel drive cars have you owned? How many AWD cars have you owned. Do you know where your tq band comes in on your car? Your tq combined with your inexperience seems to be the reason you recked. 2nd-3rd-4th or 5th gear, 50-60 mph, wet or cold tires, while not having the wheel completely straight and accelerating will cause loss of rear-end traction in any damp, sandy, or slippery condition on a tuned Evo. Part-trottle response is more sensitive than when its stock. It seems you didnt know the car was capable of this and it bit your head off. Wanna learn the characteristics of car at the limit. Take it to a safe event off-road like autocrossing or a parking lot in general or something. You're lucky it didnt flip because it usually does. Remember, there is no stability management on these cars and when the rear end steps out, you better have the skill to correct it. Word!!!
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