I hate to say it, but if the turbo was properly packaged, no matter what was done on the install side of this deal could of caused the sort of issue that he seemd to have with it.

To have coolant/exhaust gasses missing it means there was a serious issue with the center section which would of had to be done before removing the turbo from the car, there is no way that during a turbo install you can damage the centersection like that unless it was without turbine/compressor housings off and throing it around.

I feel sorry for both parties but if I were the one who sold the turbo I would feel responsible.

Scorke

 

^+1, I would say just get a refund, or work something out, like how much to fix the turbo and he pays for it .

 

Did any of the parties at anytime take apart the center section of the turbo? (cartridge)

 

You should of scribe you initial on the tubo somewhere before getting it installed. I dont care which shop you take it to, there is always someone not trust worthy.

Last year when I left my car at the dealer for the fan relay recall fix, I had a bad feeling about it but thougt I could trust them since they are the dealership. I was dirving my other car to the store and saw my evo at the stop light. Hm, may be they are just testing the fan relay. Then when the lights turns green all four tires smoked across the intersection.

I hear too many horror stories and experince it myself, so take all necessary precaution before having someone work on it.

 

If the bearings are bad you will get oil into your exhast. for the coolant to get their the center section has to have a crack in it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

yeah i didnt prime my turbo and had NO issues and still dont
this turbo was definetly blown before shipment

BUUUUUUT he also said he posted this a few weeks ago april 26th was a month ago almost
and a lot can happen in a month
when was this brought to the sellers attention?
i would give a 2-3 week window for complaints
anything after that means he could have put it on the day after he got it and somehow ruined it
but only way i could see ruining it would be lack of oil and chances are if thats the case his motor is no longer good
in the end id have to say this is the seller or the turbos responsibility
and if he wont take the responsibility id make a paypal claim or CC claim
simple as that

 

I can see no way of determining when/where the turbo went bad. Both buyer and seller thought the turbo was in good condition at time of purchase.
Find out how much is would cost to repair and half the bill.

 

^ see but there is no way for him to do the damage to the turbo before install unless he took off the housings and literally threw the turbo around?

The turbo had to be damage pre install/shipment.

Overall agreed that the whole deal is a little shady...

Scorke

 

One time I caught my stupid brother using compress air to blow the turbin to see how fast he could get his turbo to spin. I tought the turbo was toast, but it still work to this day with out any problem. Hope they didn't do the same.

 

If the turbo was removed, then the oil drain line is removed in most cases. This in turn means that about 1-2 quarts of oil drain out of the oil pan. If you reinstall the new turbo and do not refill back up the oil, there is potential for oil starvation which kills turbos first before the rest of the engine.

Best bet is to send it to Rob@ForcedPerformance.net and have him inspect and diagnose the problem.

 

What is shady here? How could the turbo be on a sub 20k '06 IX MR with ZERO issues, no smoke, and never taken over 21 psi and be blown? How is anyone to know that a bad turbo wasn't swapped for this one and now Tony is being left to pick up the tab??? Nobody knows but the blame is immediately placed on Tony and I? Why would either one of us go to the trouble to involve ourselves in a transaction that was anything less than legit?

 

Jim,

Again, let me help you get your facts straight. You bought the turbo from ME. You paypal'd ME the money. You stated that you contacted the seller via PM on Tuesday, but I have not to date received ANY PM's from you other than the one for the transaction and the positive iTrader notification you left after recieving the turbo on April 27th (over three weeks ago...)

You listed a WTB thread and mitsuorder was kind enough to refer you to me directly. Again, my car was operating flawlessly. The reason for the sale was that I had purchased an FPGreen turbo.

The turbo was out of the car for five minutes before it was bagged and placed in the box.

I sent you a perfectly good turbo that had not seen any abuse. The car never blew any smoke or showed any signs of any kind of turbo failure.

My question to you is this? If the turbo was bad, what good would it have done me to sell it to someone on the forums where I am every day? Why would I open myself up to that kind of attention and possible backlash? If the turbo was bad, I could have sold the hotside and made some money without having to run any possibiltiy of a "shady" deal coming back at me...

How long did you have the turbo before installation? Did you take it out of the box to look at it? Did you show it to anyone else? Did anyone else handle it? Did you watch the shop during the install? Did they have any problems with the install that you know of? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but you probably do.

And to all the members who have so graciously added their opinions so far, do any of YOU have the answers to those questions? I'm very sorry to hear about Jim's misfortune, but to so quickly jump to the conclusion that I would be stupid enough to try and pull something like this angers me. I have always tried to do my part to help out the EvoM community. Anyone that was at the latest AMS texas tune date can attest to that and the crap that I had to go throught to make that a success.

Tony

 

Actually, the fact of the matter was the turbo worked great on Tony's car and was shipped and after installation on your car was a dud. You've made a long leap there that "facts" can't justify.

 

I can personally attest to Josh (mitsuorder's) character and honesty.

He's only met me one time. He doesn't even live in the same city as me and he has gone above and beyond to help me with the recent string of problems with my car. he fronted the money and overnighted me a power steering hose then a few days later a timing belt. he got these oem parts much cheaper than i ever could have and did it with nothing to gain other than to help out a fellow evo owner with some hard times. again, only met me one time. he's busted his *** and didn't charge me anything extra for the parts he got me. as well i can attest to his friend who works for fedex. never met the guy but he shipped my things to me as well and they came in perfect shape, the very next day. if josh tells me something about a friend, part, or situation then i believe him, because he is just that type of genuine give-you-the-shirt-off-his-own-back person

 

Yeah the issue is that you didnt inspect it before hand I suppose. If you checked it out and it was duff pre-install it wouldnt of been a big deal I am sure but after installing and running it its impossible for him to take blame for the issue.

Scorke