The Freak Evo from SAUDI ARABIA (caution LS1 Inside )
You just used the power/liter argument. Now THAT is comedy gold. Way to go, ricer
I meant efficiency as in FUEL MILEAGE. As in, the 505hp LS7 achieves very similar fuel mileage to the 286hp 4G63. And apparently 350hp is "measly," and yet everyone here worships the 286hp 4G. Pathetic. Simply pathetic.
Now you're bringing up VEHICLE COSTS when trying to argue about how expensive the ENGINE is?! Holy hell. Do any of you OHC nutswingers around here understand how to form a cohesive argument? Here are some more cold hard facts for you. You can buy a 350hp LS1 for $4,900 or a 440hp LS2 for $5,100. That's from Scoggin-Dickey. Sorry I didn't take the time to write out a bibliography for you fools
Er, yeah, no **** any OHV engine is going to be more compact. Fortunately you have the common sense to realize that.
I'll admit one thing. I was off when I said that OHV is newer - however, the difference between the two is negligible. OHV has been around since 1912, buddy.
American engines and cars are not known for their reliability? Oh my. Someone is still used to stereotypes from the 80's. I'll grant you that Toyota and Honda build some very reliable cars, but Buick and Caddy rank just as highly. I bet you wouldn't want to know where Mitsubishi ranks
This is according to the JD Power dependability study for 2006, btw In any case, engine reliability cannot be equated with overall vehicle dependability.LS1s are very very dependable engines. People have well over 150k on their LS1s and are still running strong. Go check some LS1 boards if you don't believe me.
Ta dah!
If Honda made a V8 with the same specs as the F20C (same compression and head design) it would be a 4.0L V8 that made 480 hp. Well DAMN! The LS-1 can't even begin to touch that can it? HINT: OHV sucks
In reality OHC engines are also more gas efficient than their OHV counterparts. Why? OHC has less moving parts and have better intake and exhaust flow (the engine breathes easier with less effort). You can believe what you want, but your claims simply outrageous and false.
Last edited by sonicnofadz; Jun 18, 2007 at 03:21 PM.
The story of my life so far.
Are freaking you kidding me? YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO SAY HOW OHV MAKES MORE POWER AND IS MORE EFFICIENT THAN OHC The power/liter argument is not "ricer". Are you crazy? Do you have any kind of grasp of mathematics or physics? What you should be asking yourself is how could a OHC engine create twice the amount of power in a given amount of displacement. The reason is: OHC IS SUPERIOR AT MAKING POWER.
Ta dah!
If Honda made a V8 with the same specs as the F20C (same compression and head design) it would be a 4.0L V8 that made 480 hp.
In reality OHC engines are also more gas efficient than their OHV counterparts. Why? OHC has less moving parts and have better intake and exhaust flow (the engine breathes easier with less effort). You can believe what you want, but your claims simply outrageous and false.
Ta dah!
If Honda made a V8 with the same specs as the F20C (same compression and head design) it would be a 4.0L V8 that made 480 hp.
In reality OHC engines are also more gas efficient than their OHV counterparts. Why? OHC has less moving parts and have better intake and exhaust flow (the engine breathes easier with less effort). You can believe what you want, but your claims simply outrageous and false.
I DIDN'T SAY OHV MAKES MORE POWER. I said OHV engines make great power while maintaining excellent fuel efficiency, being compact, inexpensive, easy to mod, easy to work on, and simple overall. OHC engines may make more power with equal displacement, but they will be more expensive, be unnecessarily complicated, more difficult and costly to maintain, more difficult and expensive to mod, less compact, and - if what's currently on the market is any judge - less fuel efficient. What's the use of making similar power with less displacement at the expense of, well, everything else? Funny, I could swear 6,000hp dragster use OHV engines...there's more to the equation than simply power @ a displacement. We're not talking theory here. We're talking what happens in real life.
If Honda made, blah blah blah. The reason power/liter is a stupid argument is because any idiot can realize specific output will decrease as displacement increases, all other things equal. It's what ricers use when they simply can't handle total output being so much greater from domestic V8s.
In reality? Really? In reality, the 350hp LS1, the 400hp LS2, and the 505hp LS7 are ARE ALL AT LEAST AS, IF NOT MORE, FUEL EFFICIENT THAN THE 286HP 4G63. Perhaps you should get a better grasp on reality before you make statements like that.
I'm done kiddos. It's been fun. You've opened up my eyes to how ignorant people can be. The difference between us it that I acknowledged the one time I was wrong - an error of a few years regarding how long OHV and OHC have been around. You all simply choose to ignore it when I completely discredit one of your arguments.
Last edited by 72Tornado; Jun 18, 2007 at 03:32 PM.
this argument is too technically complicated for me. Does this type of argument even matter when it comes to owning a car that you love? Can't we just appreciate that an evo owner did something new? What does it matters whats more efficient.... the engines are just too different for this argument of whats better. I like the pull in my evo but I can also appreciate a ride in my uncles 69 charger... Can't we just leave it at that?
Okay, I'll bite, but trust me - this is the single last post I will be making in this thread.
I DIDN'T SAY OHV MAKES MORE POWER. I said OHV engines make great power while maintaining excellent fuel efficiency, being compact, inexpensive, easy to mod, easy to work on, and simple overall. OHC engines may make more power with equal displacement, but they will be more expensive, be unnecessarily complicated, more difficult and costly to maintain, more difficult and expensive to mod, less compact, and - if what's currently on the market is any judge - less fuel efficient. What's the use of making similar power with less displacement at the expense of, well, everything else? Funny, I could swear 6,000hp dragster use OHV engines...there's more to the equation than simply power @ a displacement. We're not talking theory here. We're talking what happens in real life.
If Honda made, blah blah blah. The reason power/liter is a stupid argument is because any idiot can realize specific output will decrease as displacement increases, all other things equal. It's what ricers use when they simply can't handle total output being so much greater from domestic V8s.
In reality? Really? In reality, the 350hp LS1, the 400hp LS2, and the 505hp LS7 are ARE ALL AT LEAST AS, IF NOT MORE, FUEL EFFICIENT THAN THE 286HP 4G63. Perhaps you should get a better grasp on reality before you make statements like that.
I'm done kiddos. It's been fun. You've opened up my eyes to how ignorant people can be. The difference between us it that I acknowledged the one time I was wrong - an error of a few years regarding how long OHV and OHC have been around. You all simply choose to ignore it when I completely discredit one of your arguments.
I DIDN'T SAY OHV MAKES MORE POWER. I said OHV engines make great power while maintaining excellent fuel efficiency, being compact, inexpensive, easy to mod, easy to work on, and simple overall. OHC engines may make more power with equal displacement, but they will be more expensive, be unnecessarily complicated, more difficult and costly to maintain, more difficult and expensive to mod, less compact, and - if what's currently on the market is any judge - less fuel efficient. What's the use of making similar power with less displacement at the expense of, well, everything else? Funny, I could swear 6,000hp dragster use OHV engines...there's more to the equation than simply power @ a displacement. We're not talking theory here. We're talking what happens in real life.
If Honda made, blah blah blah. The reason power/liter is a stupid argument is because any idiot can realize specific output will decrease as displacement increases, all other things equal. It's what ricers use when they simply can't handle total output being so much greater from domestic V8s.
In reality? Really? In reality, the 350hp LS1, the 400hp LS2, and the 505hp LS7 are ARE ALL AT LEAST AS, IF NOT MORE, FUEL EFFICIENT THAN THE 286HP 4G63. Perhaps you should get a better grasp on reality before you make statements like that.
I'm done kiddos. It's been fun. You've opened up my eyes to how ignorant people can be. The difference between us it that I acknowledged the one time I was wrong - an error of a few years regarding how long OHV and OHC have been around. You all simply choose to ignore it when I completely discredit one of your arguments.
Yep, we are definitely the ones that are ignorant.Ok lets take a closer look at this statement here:
Honda made, blah blah blah. The reason power/liter is a stupid argument is because any idiot can realize specific output will decrease as displacement increases, all other things equal. It's what ricers use when they simply can't handle total output being so much greater from domestic V8s.
Last edited by sonicnofadz; Jun 18, 2007 at 04:03 PM.
The current crop of GM aluminum v8's are light, compact, fuel efficient and fairly cheap to build.
I would hope as performance enthusiast's we'd all be able to appreciate that achievement and it inherent advantages over certain aging iron block designs.
I would hope as performance enthusiast's we'd all be able to appreciate that achievement and it inherent advantages over certain aging iron block designs.
Don't mind my fellow Americans...they have lost sight of the American dream...we have a free country here and if we don't make enough money its our own fault!
Sorry, but you are ignorant .. if you say .. that what you pay for gas goes to ME countries .. It does not, it goes to American or Dutch or Other multinational corporations and does not get passed on to the supplier of raw material.
Don't get worked up and reply .. Look up "Forward" deals
And I don’t know why are you hating, form the start of the thread, you been acting all wired .. If its about the money and you lacking of it … You only have your self to blame .. and don’t start that BS “you Arabs, with all your money”.. I heard so much of that BS its unbelievable
Do you know how much money big companies like WalMart or CitiGroup or Microsoft has?
Do you know what your oil companies are doing in your own backyard?
I guess not.
We all have to work for a living, and if you think someone else is making more money then you, rather than being envies, try to understand how is he making that “more” money and learn form it …
Az
Don't get worked up and reply .. Look up "Forward" deals
And I don’t know why are you hating, form the start of the thread, you been acting all wired .. If its about the money and you lacking of it … You only have your self to blame .. and don’t start that BS “you Arabs, with all your money”.. I heard so much of that BS its unbelievable
Do you know how much money big companies like WalMart or CitiGroup or Microsoft has?
Do you know what your oil companies are doing in your own backyard?
I guess not.
We all have to work for a living, and if you think someone else is making more money then you, rather than being envies, try to understand how is he making that “more” money and learn form it …
Az
