The Freak Evo from SAUDI ARABIA (caution LS1 Inside )
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You guys just lack perspective, if your loaded and want to mess with cars why not. Probably won't handle great and it might not even be that fast relative to a well prepped 463g Evo but who cares, it's certainly unique and I sure as hell would want to drive it.
Getting the AWD sorted would be sweet, I am curious to see what they come up with for driveline solutions.
Getting the AWD sorted would be sweet, I am curious to see what they come up with for driveline solutions.
I've spent 5 years in the engineering departments of UMD (college park). I've yet to speak to a mechanical engineer who thinks OHV is better than OHC. The fact of the matter is, OHC flows air FASTER than OHV (given the same engine block). This has been proven time and time again, yet people still seem to still think that Chevy's improvements on this primitive design make it "superior" to OHC, which is just silly. Any old technology can be improved upon, and Chevy has done a fantastic job doing just that. Some may argue that top fuel dragsters output insane amounts of power. That has nothing to do with OHC vs OHV. Yes top fuel drag competitions only use OHV engine setups (there are WAY more cheap OHV engines to choose from versus OHC V8 setups). You can make a V8 OHC just as powerful or more powerful than a OHV setup with the same displacement. Why? Because OHC FLOWS MORE. IT FLOWS MORE. Not only does it flow more, BUT IT CAN ALSO REV HIGHER. 
Now can we stop arguing about this? OHC is simply better. There is no reason to argue against it. Honestly, do you think Chevy is right with choosing to hold onto the pushrod legacy? Why then, has the entire automotive industry switched to OHC? Hmmmm...probably because OHC IS BETTER.
Now can we stop arguing about this? OHC is simply better. There is no reason to argue against it. Honestly, do you think Chevy is right with choosing to hold onto the pushrod legacy? Why then, has the entire automotive industry switched to OHC? Hmmmm...probably because OHC IS BETTER.
1904 4 cyldr OHC Hemi by GM 36hp
Basically what the 4G63 is, a 4 cyldr OHC Hemi.
Some Welch company made cars like this in 1903 with OHC 2 cyldr with 20hp.
Wow that's some modern on the edge technology, not. It's such an old idea, I can't see how you can stomach driving a thing that its basic design is so old.
So you're talking maybe a difference of 8-13 years MAX difference from OHV to OHC motors. Look it up and school me. I maybe wrong. So this "old tech" OHC stuff should also be too old for you. Why not jump to rotary engines? Opps too old too. 1889. Man we're running out of options. It's time for you to get on the electric motor trends.
Everything about internal comb. engines is "old tech". Just the difference in moving air. Rotary is among the "oldest tech" but is "better" than both OHC and OHV. Why aren't all the car companies running to that? If you want to use the ltr per power argument, then MAZDA has everyone beat. So go get a RX-8 and be king in your own mind.
Last edited by LT1runner; Jun 20, 2007 at 07:05 AM.
I've spent 5 years in the engineering departments of UMD (college park). I've yet to speak to a mechanical engineer who thinks OHV is better than OHC. The fact of the matter is, OHC flows air FASTER than OHV (given the same engine block). This has been proven time and time again, yet people still seem to still think that Chevy's improvements on this primitive design make it "superior" to OHC, which is just silly. Any old technology can be improved upon, and Chevy has done a fantastic job doing just that. Some may argue that top fuel dragsters output insane amounts of power. That has nothing to do with OHC vs OHV. Yes top fuel drag competitions only use OHV engine setups (there are WAY more cheap OHV engines to choose from versus OHC V8 setups). You can make a V8 OHC just as powerful or more powerful than a OHV setup with the same displacement. Why? Because OHC FLOWS MORE. IT FLOWS MORE. Not only does it flow more, BUT IT CAN ALSO REV HIGHER.
Now can we stop arguing about this? OHC is simply better. There is no reason to argue against it. Honestly, do you think Chevy is right with choosing to hold onto the pushrod legacy? Why then, has the entire automotive industry switched to OHC? Hmmmm...probably because OHC IS BETTER.
Now can we stop arguing about this? OHC is simply better. There is no reason to argue against it. Honestly, do you think Chevy is right with choosing to hold onto the pushrod legacy? Why then, has the entire automotive industry switched to OHC? Hmmmm...probably because OHC IS BETTER.
HP/liter doesn't win races, chief. Any idiot knows the huge mod potential behind the LSx series of engines. They may have low specific output from the factory, but when it leaves your little 2.0L 240hp Honda in the dust, precisely what does that matter? There is plenty of headroom left over to bring them up to very similar specific output levels...such as the 600hp n/a 346 LS1 I linked to earlier.
What I laugh at the most is how you're constantly belittling Chevy and their "redneck" enthusiasts, and yet their engines have consistently made more power for cheaper while maintaining better petrol mileage, at least as far as n/a is concerned. Your arguments is based on theory and hypotheticals, which is fine...except there is much, much more to building an engine and building a car than specific output. That is all your arguments are based off.
The difference between us is that my automotive background doesn't prevent me from appreciating different ways of making a vehicle perform well. I can respect performance, no matter the way in which it is arrived. I am also unbiased and intelligent enough to realize the distinct advantages and disadvantages each one presents.
And trust me kid - that word is based far mare on your maturity than your actual age - I don't need any help going to school. I'm on a fast track pre-med/finance major with a guaranteed admission to a highly ranked med school.
But your insults cut deep. I know most rednecks come from a family of doctors and pursue the same career. 
Last edited by 72Tornado; Jun 20, 2007 at 09:03 AM.
Wow. Simply amazing. While I love the 4G63, I'd love to have my car sound like *that*. With a solid axle, good rear diff and some tweaks for more anti-squat and it will be at least as good as the original AWD for drag racing on slicks. 
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I like engine swaps.....ones that make sense. You know, like a classic Mustang or Camaro with the latest engine Ford or GM have to offer. That looks cool and runs better, faster and more efficent than the older engine.
This was done I am guessing to pass time and maybe win a bet.
Not for me, but I can appreciate the hard work.
This was done I am guessing to pass time and maybe win a bet.
Not for me, but I can appreciate the hard work.
I like V8s.
I like EVOs.
But putting a V8 into an EVO? I guess if you've got money to burn.
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He never even tried to hook it up. Every time he got on it, he was just having fun shredding his tires. Even towards the end, he cooked the tires off the line then got off it. That car can just chew tires all day if he wants it to.
The idle lope is very pronounced, so I think he has an agressive cam in it. More than likely it's tuned for the supercharger. And if you look at the underhood shot about 2/3 the way through you'll see that the vortech isn't even hooked up yet (no belt around the pulley).
This car is going to GO, but he's going to need some better tires to hook it up. Those EVO stockers are way too little tire for all that power. There's no stealth with that exhaust note, so he should just get some widebody fenders and put some 315s or 335s in the back and put that power down to the ground.
The idle lope is very pronounced, so I think he has an agressive cam in it. More than likely it's tuned for the supercharger. And if you look at the underhood shot about 2/3 the way through you'll see that the vortech isn't even hooked up yet (no belt around the pulley).
This car is going to GO, but he's going to need some better tires to hook it up. Those EVO stockers are way too little tire for all that power. There's no stealth with that exhaust note, so he should just get some widebody fenders and put some 315s or 335s in the back and put that power down to the ground.
Calm down and start a new thread somewhere else. I'm about to wipe everything aside from the op's posts and related videos. The lsx motor crowd will never stand down, I've worked for these people and they are set in stone. The diehard ohc crowd will always look at the hp per litre perspective for reasoning. I'm locking this thread out for one day. If you guys come back arguing again I will do major cleaning.
