cat delete or high flow cat...
this is exactly my point. it doesn't matter what other people do. you have no control of other people, but you do have control over what you do. are you using that extra 5, 10, or 20 HP on the street? what for? to prove you can have that power? just to have that power you are willing to degrade the environment? ****ing tool. power that has negative consequences, such as pollution, is for the track. do you have a race gas tune? do you drive on race gas every day, back and forth to work? I bet not, and that's my point about the test pipe. unless you are racing you don't need things like race gas or a test pipe.all 2007 MY deisel vehicles run on the new diesel. almost all countries recognize pollution as a world problem. people everywhere are taking steps to minimize pollutants. we don't throw everything away anymore, we recycle almost every type of waste we produce. every single person makes a difference, including evo drivers. it's up to you what difference you are making. if you choose to pollute more than necessary for power that you couldn't possibly utilize on the street, then you aren't thinking straight. tell me why you need that extra HP on the street, and I will drop it right now. running from the cops? crazy man in a z06 chasing you with a gun?
semi's pollute a lot more than passenger cars, and it's a problem. that's why there are regulations changing the way the engines in those vehicles operate, effective over the next couple of years so the price of milk and bread doesn't triple. no, car guys aren't the biggest offenders on the road, but they are the only ones who consistently pollute more than necessary absolutely on PURPOSE. If you think, for any reason, that this makes sense then you have proven my point and should consider yourself a moron.
Stop trying to come off all high and mighty with your captain planet talk when you are driving an evo yourself. So unless you ride a damn bike or electic car YOU are just as responsible for polluting as the next guy...THE Hypocrisy is amazing.
Last edited by AtO-MiX; Jul 26, 2007 at 11:45 PM.
I don't drive an evo.
he was being a ****ing tool.
you are one of them, aren't you? if you can't help change it, you want to help make it worse? nice line of thinking.
and bikes and electric cars? so just because I don't want to pollute ON PURPOSE I am a tree hugging hippy?
you are just proving my point, if you lump everything into black and white nothing changes. when you get smart enough to realize that the world is a bunch of different shades you will realize that doing your part, and helping others do theirs, is what makes a difference. the extremes don't make the problems the shades of gray do. you aren't producing the pollution of an airplane running a testpipe, but you can make a difference by using the CAT on the street.
no one has been able to tell me why they feel the need to pollute on PURPOSE in order to get an extra couple ponies ON THE STREET. and until someone does, all of you arguing for the test pipe are exactly as I called it before, a bunch of ****ing tools. I'm not saying don't use one, I'm saying don't use it for you daily driving habits. what is so hard to grasp about this concept? you are so hell bent on arguing with me because I called him a tool that you don't stop to think about what you are saying? please don't have kids, they would learn from you and perpetuate the pollution problem.
he was being a ****ing tool.
you are one of them, aren't you? if you can't help change it, you want to help make it worse? nice line of thinking.
and bikes and electric cars? so just because I don't want to pollute ON PURPOSE I am a tree hugging hippy?
you are just proving my point, if you lump everything into black and white nothing changes. when you get smart enough to realize that the world is a bunch of different shades you will realize that doing your part, and helping others do theirs, is what makes a difference. the extremes don't make the problems the shades of gray do. you aren't producing the pollution of an airplane running a testpipe, but you can make a difference by using the CAT on the street.
no one has been able to tell me why they feel the need to pollute on PURPOSE in order to get an extra couple ponies ON THE STREET. and until someone does, all of you arguing for the test pipe are exactly as I called it before, a bunch of ****ing tools. I'm not saying don't use one, I'm saying don't use it for you daily driving habits. what is so hard to grasp about this concept? you are so hell bent on arguing with me because I called him a tool that you don't stop to think about what you are saying? please don't have kids, they would learn from you and perpetuate the pollution problem.
Last edited by DangerousDan; Jul 27, 2007 at 06:06 AM.
and for the record, I'm being an asshat because I have argued this point to death many times, have seen no attitudes change, and therefor feel that it's just easier to come and **** everyone off talking down to you like I think I should rather than treating you nice and still having you call me a tree hugging hippy. I can take that insult, at least I'm not a ****ing tool.
I dont mean to be an ***...wait never mind you know what I am going to be an ***. Shut the hell up. Calling people morons,fking tools et cetera is not needed. People can do what they want and stopping one person or even 100,000 people from putting testpipes on their cars isnt going to turn back what has happened to this planet.
Stop trying to come off all high and mighty with your captain planet talk when you are driving an evo yourself. So unless you ride a damn bike or electic car YOU are just as responsible for polluting as the next guy...THE Hypocrisy is amazing.
Stop trying to come off all high and mighty with your captain planet talk when you are driving an evo yourself. So unless you ride a damn bike or electic car YOU are just as responsible for polluting as the next guy...THE Hypocrisy is amazing.
If you haven't noticed, manufacturers strive every day to produce cars that are more environmentally sound. They do that for a reason. A lot of Evo guys may not like it, but the reality is that someone running a cat is NOT as responsible for polluting as someone who isn't running a cat. How much of a difference does one person make? I don't know. I'm not a scientist. But in the grand scheme of things, the mentality that "Oh, the world is already ****ed, so it doesn't matter if I run a cat" doesn't really work. Why do you think cats are mandatory on all new cars sold in the United States (and in many other places), just to rob power? Would you be okay with it if every car sold to the public didn't have a cat, or is it just Evo guys who shouldn't have to run them? I love power as much as any other Evo driver, but trying to shut Dan down by calling him Captain Planet and telling him to go buy an electric car is every bit as juvenile as his calling those who don't run a cat morons.
Just my .02.
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I've gone so far, without calling anyone a moron, as to suggest that discussions such as this be banned from EvoM(although not in the correct forum, and only to a regular mod.) It's just as illegal as street racing, and they don't put up with that crap here either. I recently started calling people morons for this because I can't get through to them anyway. on a PM level I will always be cordial when suggesting the use of a CAT on the streets, but in a thread such as this I don't even care anymore, hence my asshat attitude.
Edit: I think I will put it in the correct forum. If you want to have civilized conversation about it, let's do it over in the feedback and suggestions forum. I promise not to call anyone a moron, as long as you don't call me Captian Planet
Edit: I think I will put it in the correct forum. If you want to have civilized conversation about it, let's do it over in the feedback and suggestions forum. I promise not to call anyone a moron, as long as you don't call me Captian Planet
Last edited by DangerousDan; Jul 27, 2007 at 08:30 AM.
test pipe
I first went with a high flow cat but as my car became faster with mods I have since swapped it out to a rally cat. People say the rally cat or test pipes are stinky. Well, my high flow cat was stinky as well. The only difference now is that instead of a strong burning smell, I now have an unburnt fuel smell. I'd rather have the unburnt fuel smell because the burning smell makes me think something is wrong with my car.
Sorry for the interruption, please continue with the hate.
Sorry for the interruption, please continue with the hate.
I first went with a high flow cat but as my car became faster with mods I have since swapped it out to a rally cat. People say the rally cat or test pipes are stinky. Well, my high flow cat was stinky as well. The only difference now is that instead of a strong burning smell, I now have an unburnt fuel smell. I'd rather have the unburnt fuel smell because the burning smell makes me think something is wrong with my car.
Sorry for the interruption, please continue with the hate.
Sorry for the interruption, please continue with the hate.
I don't drive an evo.
he was being a ****ing tool.
you are one of them, aren't you? if you can't help change it, you want to help make it worse? nice line of thinking.
and bikes and electric cars? so just because I don't want to pollute ON PURPOSE I am a tree hugging hippy?
you are just proving my point, if you lump everything into black and white nothing changes. when you get smart enough to realize that the world is a bunch of different shades you will realize that doing your part, and helping others do theirs, is what makes a difference. the extremes don't make the problems the shades of gray do. you aren't producing the pollution of an airplane running a testpipe, but you can make a difference by using the CAT on the street.
no one has been able to tell me why they feel the need to pollute on PURPOSE in order to get an extra couple ponies ON THE STREET. and until someone does, all of you arguing for the test pipe are exactly as I called it before, a bunch of ****ing tools. I'm not saying don't use one, I'm saying don't use it for you daily driving habits. what is so hard to grasp about this concept? you are so hell bent on arguing with me because I called him a tool that you don't stop to think about what you are saying? please don't have kids, they would learn from you and perpetuate the pollution problem.
he was being a ****ing tool.
you are one of them, aren't you? if you can't help change it, you want to help make it worse? nice line of thinking.
and bikes and electric cars? so just because I don't want to pollute ON PURPOSE I am a tree hugging hippy?
you are just proving my point, if you lump everything into black and white nothing changes. when you get smart enough to realize that the world is a bunch of different shades you will realize that doing your part, and helping others do theirs, is what makes a difference. the extremes don't make the problems the shades of gray do. you aren't producing the pollution of an airplane running a testpipe, but you can make a difference by using the CAT on the street.
no one has been able to tell me why they feel the need to pollute on PURPOSE in order to get an extra couple ponies ON THE STREET. and until someone does, all of you arguing for the test pipe are exactly as I called it before, a bunch of ****ing tools. I'm not saying don't use one, I'm saying don't use it for you daily driving habits. what is so hard to grasp about this concept? you are so hell bent on arguing with me because I called him a tool that you don't stop to think about what you are saying? please don't have kids, they would learn from you and perpetuate the pollution problem.
So what do you drive then I want to know. Do you drive a delorean that is powered by garbage or something I really want to know. Dont come off here with you al gore ravings talking about pollution when you are still driving a car, still using gas to power that car hell you maybe still useing alot of things that cause pollution. Yet you have the nerve to tell someone off.
You dont see the hypocrisy? I could understand you ' educating ' all of us if you had like a solar powered house, or lived an entire earth/eco friendly lifestyle or something you know. Maybe you do I dont know. But if you dont than I see no reason for your environmental evangelist eco preachings;well more like ramblings.
True you may not be hurting the earth as much as someone who runs without a cat on their car or truck but you are still polluting. Its like a vegetarian saying they dont eat meat because it was once a living animal that had feelings; then turning around and eating fish or something. People use labels like these to make themselves feel unique, set themselves apart from the majority, make themselves feel good I guess.
Let me ask do you use pesticides to treat your grass, do you use wood to light your fireplace or use your stove,do you take a airplane to go long distances, do you drive,does your wife or girlfriend use hairspray these are all forms of pollution are you yelling at everyone about these things.
In the end though the man or anyone for that matter can do what he/she wants and if he is happy that is all that matters here.
Last edited by AtO-MiX; Jul 27, 2007 at 09:55 AM.
I'm not jumping into this argument...but I don't see the hypocrisy of him driving any car with a regular cat. He never said go rollerblade to work...but what I think he's getting at is that its not justifiable to knowingly pollute for a couple more horses.
Last edited by LITHIUM13; Jul 27, 2007 at 10:12 AM.
ok, so **** our great great great grandkids? I'm not spouting off at the mouth about running an electric car, just about doing your part. you don't want to do your part, fine don't. but don't act like what you are doing isn't wrong. you are blatantly ignoring the fact that you are contributing ON PURPOSE to the already worsening pollution problem. I don't expect everyone to all of a sudden walk to work, that's why we have governments and business's. they determine the course of evolution for everyone, the individual decides how quickly or slowly they follow the evolution of man. you are getting left behind buddy, and that's kind of ironic considering you drive an evolution.