To all of you who are thinking of switching vehicles...

1) We don't know if these are official specs (no offense to you or your sources ROCK)

2) Nobody knows the STI specs either....I can pretty much garauntee that if the STI comes full-spec that the Evo will too for the most part.

Calm down ladies and just wait fer a press release or at least something in writing....

Hooby

 

Uh-oh someone losing faith. Ok I don't think you quite understand AYC and the ACD blowwwwwwwwwww. Its called unnecessary extra weight and useless electronics probably an extra 200lbs at least. Whereas the STI is heavier than a GSR with AYC and ACD with maybe 20 more HP which is hardly enough to offset the extra weight its carrying which can't even be removed like it can on the Evo. If you want to drive under your complete control not having these pieces is a blessing.

 

One month ago, I read on I-club that the STi 6-speed had a recall due to some transmission fluid issue...so I guess Subaru still has to work out the kinks on this new tranny. Man, is the 4g63 and an awd drivetrain not good enough or something? You can live without active diffs; go autocross and learn how to control the car.

 

Yes I have also heard that it will be called the Lancer Evo VIII. I am still very interested in the car and am trying to get a deposit on one in Chicago.

 

I am all for a driver’s car…always have been and always will be. Example: when ABS first came out I thought it was a bad idea for high performance cars. As the technology developed (4 channel abs) I realized that it could do things a driver never could hope to do (unless they had 4 brake pedals!!). I now accept it as an awesome late braking device.

Regarding the EVO with non-active differentials.

A non-active AWD system will change the cars handling characteristics with power on or off. With power on it will under steer (tight), with power off it will over steer (loose). Most factory streetcars with non-active AWD systems will under steer while under power and go neutral off power. Yes, a non-active AWD drive train can be set up to over steer while under power. Front to rear roll stiffness and front to rear torque split are the main variables. Imagine for a moment if Subaru set up the STI to over steer while under power. Back end is coming around lightly while under power...Johny gets nervous as the dump truck comes around the corner...Johny chops the throttle and ...weeeeee the back end comes right around. Thus the STI is set up to under steer.

Next scenario, EVO VII comes from Japan with non-active viscous center and rear differentials. Look ma …a true drivers car! Problem is, Mitsubishi tuned the chassis to under steer like they have for every other AWD that is sold with non-active differentials. So what you say…I am going to put a fat *** rear sway away bar on the back of my EVO VII that will only cost me $250! OK, take the car out for a spin, car is neutral under power but really comes around when I let off the gas. Kinda scarry but you will get use to it. A week later your friend is over and you are going to show him how awesome your new ride is. It’s raining a little, but no problem…you have AWD! First corner you come in a little hot…back end is coming around, let off the gas a bit and…****… the back end comes around and she backs right into the guard rail. You can set up your car to handle nice on a dry summer day, but it will be a handful on slippery surfaces.

I understand why some RWD guys might think the active differentials are of no use to a good driver. What you have to understand is that the active differentials allow the EVO VII to handle like a RWD car through the corner. With out the active differentials the front end will push through the corners just like the STI.

Lets hope that Mitsubishi gives us the option of active differentials. Don’t forget, they gave us a choice between an open differential and a LSD differential on the 1G AWD Talon and Eclipse.

Rock, did you get to drive the Japanese spec EVO VII while it was at the shop? Maybe you could share the story of how it came to show up at the shop and your impressions of the car?

By the way…is the EVO coming with the 5 sp manual or 5 sp auto?

Turbo

 

I think he meant to say it would come with ACD but no AYC. So if you want an active diff. it will still be there. The ayc (active yaw control) will be left off to save room for a bigger fuel tank and because of reliabilty/warranty issues that would come with the sophisticated electronic ayc. It may come with both though who really knows?
I think the reasoning behind scrapping the AYC is pretty believable explanation though.

 

Broeli,

The ACD and AYC look to be tied into the same ECU quite closely. I think it would require quite a bit of R&D to pull one with out the other. Slapping in a set of non active differentials would be no small task as well. If Mistubishi brings the EVO in low quantities (under 8000 units) It would surprise me that they would bother removing it. Maybe the Japanese model is having reliability problems though?

Turbo

 

I don't think there are really reliabilty issue in Japan, BUT :
"I have read two seperate reports from people that it WILL NOT have AYC due to the fuel tank (want it bigger for US cars) and because there may be a concern on reliabilty because the system was designed for Japanese durabilty cycle which is less (mileage wise) than North American duty cycle. "
The J-spec Evo has a REALLY small 10.5 gallon tank...which would be unexceptable to many consumers. I think MT said they only got 150 miles on a tank of gas.

 

My gf's neon has a 10 gallon gas tank I believe, its really not a big deal. Plus, a true sports car driver isn't going to fill his car up with 16 gallons of gas anyways. Each gallon weighs like 8 lbs. Fill up your car with 16 glallons and you've just added 128 lbs to your car. Wow Im sure glad I get a bigger gas tank than ayc!!!

 

It's a load of crock. We're getting everything. If not, all the Evo would be is a 91 galant VR-4 with a lancer body

 

Turbo442

ACD and AYC are very easy to separate and you can order the ACD as an extra on the 7 RS without AYC. There is no development to do.

I wouldn't be suprised if they leave the AYC off the US cars so as to make room for a bigger fuel tank. Will this make the US Evo a bad car, NO - does it make it a better car, NO. It is just a different spec. Will it be better than a Scooby STi. YES, far better.

You should all carm down and drive the car when it is available so as to judge it. I bet you will be more than happy with whatever spec you get, and most of you would not be able to tell if the car had ACD or AYC or not. In the 6 you can. In the 7 it is non intrusive. Saying you don't want technology like that is like saying you don't want modern tyres because old fashioned tyres don't have so much grip and you can slide the car easier. All I care about is how it feels to drive. Is the car nuetral, does it repond to steering and power inputs to control its cornering attitude. Thats what counts. Everything else is b######

 

so no AYC and different bumper now?? dang...

but all we can do is wait....wait...and more wait....

 

NO AYC and ACD? well, I guess I have to call my dealer and get a refund. that is what makes an evo an evo. well, back to the search for my next car. But Im gonna wait to get my deposite refunded untill there is a press release that we wont get ayc and acd. all i can say is :soapbox: . that REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!! well mitsu, you just lost a sale if this is true, and Im sure ALOT of others aswell.

 

Oh and even if we dont get the AYC, I still keep my previous statement. NO AYC=NO EVO FOR ME. and I still think it will effect sales ALL OVER.