Buschur or WORKS?
I do not agree with the "pipe is a pipe is a pipe" comment. Not all parts are equal or making the same power. If that were true there would be only 1 place making parts. Our exhaust has been proven to the be lightested and highest horsepower producing turboback exhaust available for the Evo.
Some places use resonators, reducers, etc... ours does NOT. Its a TRUE 3" 304 stainless steel design. Same with our intercooler piping. Its 2 1/2", polished stainless that eliminates 6 bends and 16" of length thereby reducing the flow restriction.
As I said.... Performance parts have NOTHING to do with the "primarily drag" or "primarily road race", etc...
Why does it keep getting repeated? Its a pointless comment!
Performance parts add power and torque. Both of those are needed in racing no matter what kind it is. Drag doesnt require as an intense suspension setup as road racing. Once you have that you work you can work on the grip, handling and braking then you have a road race car.
We have PLENTY of customers who autocross and road race religiously as well as ones who multi-purpose the car.
Some places use resonators, reducers, etc... ours does NOT. Its a TRUE 3" 304 stainless steel design. Same with our intercooler piping. Its 2 1/2", polished stainless that eliminates 6 bends and 16" of length thereby reducing the flow restriction.
As I said.... Performance parts have NOTHING to do with the "primarily drag" or "primarily road race", etc...
Why does it keep getting repeated? Its a pointless comment!
Performance parts add power and torque. Both of those are needed in racing no matter what kind it is. Drag doesnt require as an intense suspension setup as road racing. Once you have that you work you can work on the grip, handling and braking then you have a road race car.
We have PLENTY of customers who autocross and road race religiously as well as ones who multi-purpose the car.
this argument overall is just a waste of time....
i mean which color is better red or blue?
there would be a million reasons one way or the other.
bro, you cant go wrong with these two companies.
i mean which color is better red or blue?
there would be a million reasons one way or the other.
bro, you cant go wrong with these two companies.
you still aren't going to prove that a downpipe or exhaust made by works will some how better than Buschur because of what motorsports they are involved in. That has nothing to do with the parts we are discussing
I like both companies. I also think AMS does nice work.
With that said, I have all Buschur parts on my car and I track it like I stole it. While they are known for drag cars, my car has NEVER missed a beat on the track and I constantly get comments about how fast and strong the car is. One of the last ride alongs I gave was to an instructor who bought an Evo after seeing mine at a previous track day. His comment was "this car gives me hope for mine". Nuff said.
After the hard parts pay close attention to the tune. Make sure your tune takes into account that you want to track and keep the boost mild and keep the quality of the fuel up and you will be good to go.
With that said, I have all Buschur parts on my car and I track it like I stole it. While they are known for drag cars, my car has NEVER missed a beat on the track and I constantly get comments about how fast and strong the car is. One of the last ride alongs I gave was to an instructor who bought an Evo after seeing mine at a previous track day. His comment was "this car gives me hope for mine". Nuff said.
After the hard parts pay close attention to the tune. Make sure your tune takes into account that you want to track and keep the boost mild and keep the quality of the fuel up and you will be good to go.
Last edited by dsycks; Dec 3, 2007 at 02:27 PM.
Works and some other folks also make good quality parts but show me bad quality Buschur part... I'll wait.
If you are saying that Buschur parts don't hold up to road racing you are chock full of nuts! They are without question as fine a quality as you are going to find anywhere. I don't care to skimp on quality and I build my car to be as bullet proof as possible.
Works and some other folks also make good quality parts but show me bad quality Buschur part... I'll wait.
Works and some other folks also make good quality parts but show me bad quality Buschur part... I'll wait.
Probably for 99% of people, the Buschur DP will hold up perfectly fine. At no point did I say that the Buscher DP will break; I did imply that due to Works' more active participation in road racing, I would expect theirs to hold up better. Pretty reasonable logic right? We can go into design differences if you really feel like it.
The difference in the designs may be the difference between going 300k miles and 350k miles. Like I said, the majority of people will probably never see the stress level to see the difference, but some might. You went with bullet proof, I went with what I consider more bullet proof.
I admit, the HFC served little purpse except dumping extra dough into an already expensive exhaust.
For the record, I can say for sure I had CEL issues with the cat on, OR off.....no mention of MFR, no interest in mud slinging.
Just the same, BR products have without a doubt, been proven over and over. Dave knows...scratch that....has forgotten more about the Evo and family's engine than most people would ever know.
AMS make excellnt products too, and considering their experience and professional demeanor I can't say for sure who is better, as I would say as many things about AMS as I just did for BR.
I have no first hand experience with AMS, but their reputation precedes them....
Works....I don't know for sure, but given the choice, BR all the way.
For the record, I can say for sure I had CEL issues with the cat on, OR off.....no mention of MFR, no interest in mud slinging.
Just the same, BR products have without a doubt, been proven over and over. Dave knows...scratch that....has forgotten more about the Evo and family's engine than most people would ever know.
AMS make excellnt products too, and considering their experience and professional demeanor I can't say for sure who is better, as I would say as many things about AMS as I just did for BR.
I have no first hand experience with AMS, but their reputation precedes them....
Works....I don't know for sure, but given the choice, BR all the way.
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When it comes to road racing, Works is the proven one. Buschur makes good stuff no doubt, but they've always been geared towards drag. The levels and type of stress on a road racing car and different than drag.
Works is pricey, but you get excellent quality and service. I installed their 76mm DP (with the ceramic coating option) and HFC. Great fit, clears the ACD, oil pan, all underbody braces, no rattles, no check engine lights. They also have a nice adaptor that they use with the DP if you mate up to the stock O2 housing. Being an engineer myself, i appreciate their attention to detail and good design. I can't think of anyway to make their DP better to be honest, and that's after looking at many different designs.
Works is pricey, but you get excellent quality and service. I installed their 76mm DP (with the ceramic coating option) and HFC. Great fit, clears the ACD, oil pan, all underbody braces, no rattles, no check engine lights. They also have a nice adaptor that they use with the DP if you mate up to the stock O2 housing. Being an engineer myself, i appreciate their attention to detail and good design. I can't think of anyway to make their DP better to be honest, and that's after looking at many different designs.
I did the Buschur package on my old Evo 8. Buschur makes great power with the Buschur(Dyno)flash, but my car was loud as hell and the package really seemed like it was intended for drivers that really mash the gas. I'm sure dynotuning gets tailored to the driver a bit more, though. 
My current Evo 9 has received mostly WORKS components (same path --- 3 inch catless TBE + bolt ons) and has been brainflashed with their P2R. The result was much more refined midrange power control (I assume for attacking corners) and a much less noisy package for my Daily Drive (with their RTP). Even though this is more to my liking, I have to admit that I'd invested about twice as much cash in the 9 than the 8 for the same levels of power, but with less noise.
Even though I've taken the 9 much further than the 8 in the mod path with WORKS, I can still appreciate Buschur's bang for buck mentality.
If you got the cash = WORKS.
If you're strapped = BUSCHUR. (save 75 cents for earplugs)
My current Evo 9 has received mostly WORKS components (same path --- 3 inch catless TBE + bolt ons) and has been brainflashed with their P2R. The result was much more refined midrange power control (I assume for attacking corners) and a much less noisy package for my Daily Drive (with their RTP). Even though this is more to my liking, I have to admit that I'd invested about twice as much cash in the 9 than the 8 for the same levels of power, but with less noise.
Even though I've taken the 9 much further than the 8 in the mod path with WORKS, I can still appreciate Buschur's bang for buck mentality.
If you got the cash = WORKS.
If you're strapped = BUSCHUR. (save 75 cents for earplugs)
If you are saying that Buschur parts don't hold up to road racing you are chock full of nuts! They are without question as fine a quality as you are going to find anywhere. I don't care to skimp on quality and I build my car to be as bullet proof as possible.
Works and some other folks also make good quality parts but show me bad quality Buschur part... I'll wait.
Works and some other folks also make good quality parts but show me bad quality Buschur part... I'll wait.
HA!!! That thing got beat by a street car at NASA Nationals TTR Class!
And it blew up at the track trying to go faster!!! LMAO
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