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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 90GSX-03EVO
Get the Blizzak WS-50. I bought them back when they were like $140 each and they are well worth it. Mount them on your stock wheels and get a set of summer wheels for summer tires.

Also, stop trying to turn while braking. Brake, let off the brakes, turn, accelerate. If you have the WS-50's then just turn to full lock without braking. You'll slide straight for about a second, but then they'll grip and turn the car. Once you're turning, give it some gas to rotate the back end around and then steer with the rear.
If you are going to be on snow 100% of the time get the WS-50s, they are made for gripping in deep snow and work excellent for that; but IMOP they ride like marshmellows on dry pavement. if your in an area such as detroit where it snows only some of the time and is really cold all the time get the Blizzack LM-22's they are the High performance snow tire with rold edges for cornering on dry pavement and work great on ice too. The LM-22's also make a acceptable dirt tire for those who don't want to convert to smaller brake calipers to run dirt tires (16" and smaller) although you will shred them quickly. When braking try to avoid hitting ABS; down shift and always rev match and the car will stop faster and more contolled then when the ABS kicks in. Remember ABS isn't supposed to make you stop faster, its designed to keep you from locking up the wheels.
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 08:05 PM
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My recommendation is to drive slow and brake early is the safest way to use ABS. I tried it myself and almost went toward a snow bank but I gave it a little gas and thank goodness I avoid it. I was going like 25mph It was snowing and light rain mix. It's like mixing beer and liquor
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 06:44 AM
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Have you guys never driven in snow before? I can't believe some of you are down on the Evo in snow -- the thing was practically made for it.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 09:24 AM
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ABS is great great in the dry and rain but not so hot when it snows. Good tyres help for sure but more so breaking technique.

This may be obvious and I'm sure if you drive an Evo you know how to drive. However there may be people who don't know the best way to break. This applies even more so when on a slippery roads or driving is snow.

Rule #1 break in a straight line - not all of us are racing drivers and can balance and shift the weight of ours cars when breaking in corners - especially in the snow!
The use of engine breaking to slow you down is of great benefit.
Breaking earlier and more gently usually eliminates the ABS kicking in
If and when you feel the ABS judder lift of the break pedal a touch and gently reapply the pressure to the pedal.
If you want to stop fast in the snow you want to be breaking as hard as you can without allowing the ABS to kick in. It's about finding the balance.

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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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for dd the ABS is the best. since the wheels are not stoping so you still can steer the car. Now if you in trouble as a dd with abs , then without it you would be crashed already.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kins
ABS is great great in the dry and rain but not so hot when it snows. Good tyres help for sure but more so breaking technique.

This may be obvious and I'm sure if you drive an Evo you know how to drive. However there may be people who don't know the best way to break. This applies even more so when on a slippery roads or driving is snow.

Rule #1 break in a straight line - not all of us are racing drivers and can balance and shift the weight of ours cars when breaking in corners - especially in the snow!
The use of engine breaking to slow you down is of great benefit.
Breaking earlier and more gently usually eliminates the ABS kicking in
If and when you feel the ABS judder lift of the break pedal a touch and gently reapply the pressure to the pedal.
If you want to stop fast in the snow you want to be breaking as hard as you can without allowing the ABS to kick in. It's about finding the balance.

Please feel free to chip in!
+1. ABS is a fantastic thing for Dry and Rain. Not good for Snow. I had a FWD 3000GT with ABS. I upgraded to bigger VR4 brakes and lost the ABS. I nearly sh*t my pants when my brakes locked up on a downhill grade trying to avoid an idiot who didn't check their blind spot when they decided to slide into my lane. Luckily I didnt slide around at all while the wheels were locked up.

Bottom line: ABS is great. Just give the brake semi-hard pumps repeatedly to stop shorter in the snow. Depress the brake quickly and light enough that you don't engage the ABS and you'll be fine. ABS FTW.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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Brake with ABS on in the dry (or decently dry) and take a corner while braking fairly hard.

Then do the same thing with ABS off (remove the fuse). ABS doesn't help you stop at all, it helps you maintain control while trying to stop. Try swerving a car with all 4 tires locked up when you don't have ABS, even a simple swerve is very hard unless you know what you're doing. I've driven many different cars on track with high variations in braking systems and I would NEVER want to drive around town without ABS. Sure, on the track you can stop a fair bit shorter if you know what you're doing, but if you don't have a fair bit of knowledge on how non-abs works you'll be screwed and sideways.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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for non abs all you have to do is pump the brakes with your foot to prevent skidding...as soon as you start skidding let off a bit then push back down and repeat until you stop...that way you maintain control...not that hard to do...the abs just automatically does this for you so you don't have to pump the brakes....kindof like an automatic tranny changes gears for people so they don't have to do it...lol

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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 11:37 AM
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and 100 times faster...
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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glad i dont have abs and i hate abs+snow.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Yodobashi
Have you guys never driven in snow before? I can't believe some of you are down on the Evo in snow -- the thing was practically made for it.
More like an unstoppable tank with the proper snow tires. It boggles the mind how good it actually is.

As per ABS sucking that's totally incorrect "if" the car is equipped with proper snow tires, Not all weather crap but real honest to goodness dedicated snow rubber at proper tread depth It takes actually slamming on the brake pedal at a good 25 mph or more on some slick **** for ABS to start pulsing. but if you're driving like that there are only two reasons: 1) you really don't know how to drive in the snow and are panicking OR 2) you are intentionally slamming on the brakes.

ABS wasn't designed to stop a car quicker, it was designed to stop brake lockup by inexperienced and average drivers, and to allow you to actually steer while applying the brakes.

Threshhold braking is a more advanced driving technique and not commonly successfully applied by most drivers on the roads these days.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Chef
More like an unstoppable tank with the proper snow tires. It boggles the mind how good it actually is.

As per ABS sucking that's totally incorrect "if" the car is equipped with proper snow tires, Not all weather crap but real honest to goodness dedicated snow rubber at proper tread depth It takes actually slamming on the brake pedal at a good 25 mph or more on some slick **** for ABS to start pulsing. but if you're driving like that there are only two reasons: 1) you really don't know how to drive in the snow and are panicking OR 2) you are intentionally slamming on the brakes.

ABS wasn't designed to stop a car quicker, it was designed to stop brake lockup by inexperienced and average drivers, and to allow you to actually steer while applying the brakes.

Threshhold braking is a more advanced driving technique and not commonly successfully applied by most drivers on the roads these days.
True not your average driver can Treshold brake but I think a lot of Evo owners can drive and that's why they chose an Evo in the first place. Yes there are exceptions to this assumption as we all know ha ha).

Those that have never heard of threshold braking there is a good explanation on wiki here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_braking

Try it you might like it
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