OK I guess you really don't have a grasp of actual reality, and operate solely in the utopian pacifist view of the world, which is understandable given the socialist state in which you live. So anyway, you are curious as to why the lunatic didn't go for the head shot through the window, and instead went for the tail light? I'll give you my theory if you care:

Now remember, I'm not a crazed lunatic so I don't know for sure, but if I were a crazed lunatic, I would do it because last time I damaged the guy's car, I got the guy to come out, and every good crazed lunatic knows it's easier to bash a guy's head in with a tire iron when he's standing outside his car (No pesky glass and b-pillars in the way of the skull, know what I mean?). So, being a perfectly rational crazed lunatic, I would try it again after I got my tire iron to see if I could make him come out of his car again like before. I mean, after all, I would have to smash his skull eventually...You know, for driving too slow...because whenever I'm in a hurry, I always stop to bash the skulls in of the people slowing me down. It makes me angry because it seems like the more I'm in a hurry, the more skulls I have to bash, and the later I am...so I get even angrier and it just builds from there. But eventually, I'll have bashed them all, and can do the speed limit or faster all I want...after I get out of prison 200 years from now...

Get the idea? There was no rational thought processing going on here, just rage and animal instinct. You can't possibly know what someone like that is going to do, or what they are capable of, because they truthfully and honestly don't know what they are doing themselves, they are just raging uncontrolled. So, Just FYI, the kind of person that pulls out a tire iron on the side of the road unprovoked is absolutely, 110%, bet your *** on it willing to harm you for no damn reason at all. It doesn't matter if you talk to them about their childhood or give them a cookie, regardless of what the socialist order would lead you to believe. If you can't recognize that, you've just never been around crazy stuff like that and don't know what it's like, or you are so brainwashed you subconsciously choose to ignore it, thinking it is impossible, something else went on, wouldn't happen to me, I'm a good socialist, etc. etc.. I just hope you don't have to experience something like that first hand to get the picture.

What's worse, the lunatic probably only stopped his bashing because he saw a cop drive by or someone saw him and started to call the cops. Had the OP been in a less-traveled area, I'm sure we would still be reading this story...but the question is, would it be in here or the news, with a slightly different headline? The OP even said himself he DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY his life was in danger, which to me sounds like he was so overwhelmed with what was happening he was in shock, and couldn't process the fact he was in danger until it was all over, so he just did as he was taught all his life...because he's a product of the same pacifist mantra we all went through in school...namely that even when the bully beats you up in school, don't fight back. Tell a teacher and they'll make everything OK. And if you DO fight back, well you are just as bad as the bully and get the same detention. That's the kind of mentality that allows people to fulfill their 72-virgin quest by taking down planes...with BOX CUTTERS of all things...because the contingency plan for that USED TO BE (thank god they changed it) TO COOPERATE WITH THE PSYCHOPATHS and everything would be OK after the government fixed it. Obviously, they didn't protect those planes, those buildings, and all those thousands of people that day. What makes you think they are any better at now?

Sorry, I'm done, I'll get off my soap box now that I'm probably perma-banned from EvoM lol. But maybe at least one person will see it before it's deleted....

Glad the OP is ok though, he was lucky!

 

Lol Canada is hardly a socialist state and I don't live in some sort of Utopian dream world. I just don't like the idea of civilians taking the law into their own hands for various reasons (subjectivity, accountability, etc). In this case it's pretty clear the person was crazy and wasn't exactly looking for hugs but what about other situations? How does someone involved in the situation judge it in an unbiased way as is necessary for the proper application of the law? One of the reasons why I like Canada is because it has a general air of relaxation, I'm not worried that the guy next to me on the bus has a gun because it's not legal thus less likely. Could he still have a gun? Sure, but at least I know it's not going to be common. We don't live in the 14th century, as I said, defending yourself is one thing, killing someone is completely different. I have a general problem with this idea that one citizen has the right to take someone else's life based on some non-objective viewpoint. I agree there are some situations where it is going to happen (ie. someone breaks into your home with a gun) but those are not the norm and are quite different than this situation.
This has nothing to do with terrorists or 9/11, don't go dragging that into this.

 

 

+1 Rather be accurate with well placed 9mm round than miss with something bigger.

 

And we are not talking about a world war were people are wearing body armour and weilding automatic weapons. We are talking about a pissed off motorist with a tire iron. A 9 would have done just fine...and I do agree with your stance on the 1911. Great pistol. Should be the standard side arm for the military.

 

I was a victim of road rage once.
To put it simple I was driving down a 4 lane highway in my previous car RX-8. I was in the right lane and there was a car infront of me, I looked in my mirror to switch lanes and all was clear. As soon as I came over into the lane a crotch rocket traveling at my best guess at 140+mph no BS flew around me with no lights on, and this was night time. He almost lost control but corrected and recovered. I switched back to the right lane and he slowed down and pulled up next to me. I slowed down a little bit as I thought he was going to say something. Well he started yelling a bunch of stuff I could not hear due to the wind, oh and he was not wearing a helmet and only had on a white tank top shirt. We were both traveling at about 65 mph at this point. The thing he did next shocked me, he pulled out a pistol that was tucked into the side of his pants and pointed it at me. I was left with no choice at that point I swerved at him and he lost control and dumped the bike and his body tumbled down the road. I stopped and backed up and got out, Called the police, checked on the guy to see if he was alive, he was, barely. Located his pistol that was in the middle of the road. Police and paramedics showed up, they took him off to the hospital where he later died. I find out from the police that night that the man had multiple warrants out for his arrest for assault with a deadly weapon, felony possesion of a firearm, and attempted murder, and robbery.
it was a crappy day. No charges were filed against me.

 

Ummmmmmm...
OK, it's a constitutional monarchy, but its policies are in line with socialism
Yes, but you do believe that since Canada has low violent crime rates, you are not likely to experience violent crime, and so you continue believing it will never happen to you. False sense of security = fantasy land.
Your argument breaks down somewhere between fantasy land and what occurred to the OP. Again, you are forcing your beliefs on reality instead of vice-versa. In your world, the police extend law and order to every corner of the globe, and have magic phone calls that stop criminals in mid-swing of their tire irons...
The simple answer is, other situations are other situations. However, as is evidenced by this statement, your belief system will force you to ignore any particular situation such as this, and discount them as insignificant discontinuities the utopian space-time continuum.
They judge it the best they can, and if they mis-judge it, they are tried by a jury of their peers in the judicial system. If they decided a reasonable person could not have been afraid for their life (such as if you think a kindergartener was hiding an AK in his Sponge Bob backpack) you go to prison for a very long time. You are trying to apply the slippery slope theory where it simply does not work, and at the same time implying there is some sort of magical utopian yard-duty that can stop time, observe the situation, and dole out justice in the fairest utopian manner.
That's one of the reasons I like it too.
I'm not worried if anyone has a gun. I'm not worried most people are going to try to kill me with one if they have one. I have a gun and I don't kill people, because I'm sane and rational. I don't worry about criminals either. But for the same reason I drive safely and have insurance, I avoid dangerous situations as best I can and carry a handgun, because it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it, and with anything, it's better to avoid a problem whenever possible.
The only difference between now and the 14th century is that this would have happened to a wooden cart instead of an Evo, and we wouldn't have the internet to read about it on. Other than that, people are people...I mean except in your evolved utopian perfect world...where people like the person who attacked the OP either don't really exist, or are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.
The law prosecutes excessive force as well. You don't shoot to kill. You don't even do that in the army. You use force to counter force up until the force has been neutralized. Sometimes that involves pulling out your weapon and they run away, in which case you better not shoot. Other times, it involves emptying a magazine into someone because they are on PCP and still trying to kill you with a belly full of lead. It just depends on the circumstances.
So in other words, and this is key, a sane rational person, minding their own business, has no better grasp on reality and doesn't knows right from wrong better than an insane lunatic trying to to kill said person. This sentence alone is the very core of what I'm trying to say. This "fairness above all", "everyone is equal", utopian mindset is the reason you cannot grasp anything I'm saying.
How exactly is this at all any different than someone breaking into your house with a deadly weapon? Just because it has wheels? By your logic, people who live in houses can protect themselves, while those in mobile homes cannot unless they remove the wheels...
It doesn't have to do with terrorists except in the mentality that allows terrorism to thrive, which is fear and the belief there is some magical force protecting us all, if we just try hard enough to believe in utopia. Violent people see this quality as weakness, and you must understand this to make the world a TRULY better place.

Freedom isn't free or easy

 

That is astonishing and amazing. Glad you are ok! Don't let people like ambystop01 tell you that you were not justified in doing what resulted in his eventual demise. If the cops WERE doing their job, that scumbag would have been off the streets before you had your fateful encounter. In this situation, you had no choice BUT to take the law into your own hands, or you would have become another one of his victims, and he would probably still be around terrorizing others.
Also, you likely would have been shot dead with a cell phone in your hand if you called the cops and didn't react.

I'd be interested to know what the criminal record is of the *** clown who attacked the OP.

 

hey, i finally realized what should have happened. If this guy comes at you with a tire-iron and intends to do you bodily harm of any extent, you shouldnt fight back in a manner that could do the same to him, because thats un-civilized. We have police, so take the beating, and hey, yeah you might end up in the hospital or possibly even a coffin, but the cops will catch him and he will get taken care of appropriately. WTF

Look, there is not one person on evom that knows what the mans true intentions were. I truely do commend him for being able to sit in his car and remain "civilized" or however you want to put it. It does take alot for someone to do that, and again, no one person other than himself knows why he truely decided to handle it that way, except him. Not everyone is "built" the same way. people have had different experiences, suffered differently than the man next to him, i could go on and on. All I know, is that had it been me, he would have got a 9mm round between his eyes. am I wrong? God only knows, but Im still alive to go home to my wife. Like someone said earlier, go at a police officer with a tire-iron and see how close you get. In another example? Do you think every Iraqi or Afghan person has gone at a Marine or soldier with a gun in hand? GO over there and run at one of us with something like that in your hand and intend to do some sort of harm, and you will be eating a burst of a SAW in your face as well...Is America a battle-ground? of course not, but that doesnt mean that a man or woman is not allowed to defend themselves. If you feel threatened and could possibly end up in the hospital or dead, why not shoot and ask questions later? Military saying of "rather be carried by six than judged by twelve" fits nicely here

 

You showed commendable restraint. Just be glad you're not in Texas...the lunatics here prefer guns to tire irons

 

Actually we're a democracy and regularly rank well above the US in terms of quality of life.
Low crime rates= I don't think it is likely that I will be a victim of a violent crime. Couple this with the fact that most violent crimes are between people who either A. know each other or B. have gang ties, I think I'll be OK.
You are also blinded by your belief system, so that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Someone still dies because of a bad judgement.
Did I say anything about wheels? No, the two situations are different because of the very nature of the encounter. If you are at home, you can't exactly run away and there is a high probability that if you get into a struggle, they will try to kill you/seriously injure you. In this case however, the OP could have driven away thus I don't think shooting him would have been the answer.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. Terrorism thrives for far more complex reasons that just a desire not to go about killing everyone who pisses you off.

 

The really sad thing about this event is the idiot felon had a kid in the car. We wonder why there are so many violent morons around. This kid is learning how to relate to the world from his "Dad", what he learns is violence is always the way to deal with a situation that you do not like. Feel sorry for the kid.

 

Comparing war time events to social interactions is ridiculous, you might as well argue that we should all carry M16s and wear body armor everywhere "just in case". Again, people are free to do what they want and protect themselves however they want, I just don't agree with the idea of arming our civilians because it opens the door to the arbitrary application of the law which shouldn't happen in a life or death situation. I wouldn't want a judge to flip a coin to decide whether a person was put to death anymore than I'd want some skittish person decide whether to shoot someone or not because they might hurt them.

 

i think we've all made our points clear in regard to self defense in general, and we should probably just agree to disagree on the finer points and leave it at that or this could go on forever. since most people don't carry firearms anyway (not even me often times) maybe it would be more helpful to everyone who reads this thread to think of more concrete ways to avoid being injured or killed by these maniacs like the one who attacked the OP or the guy who USED to ride a crotch rocket. obviously, however unlikely it may be in any given part of the world, it still can and does happen, and it can't be a bad idea to have a plan in place to mitigate the risks of injury or death should it happen to you.

 

Wow... that's insane! You have the restraint of a monk. I woulda whooped his @$$ up and down the street. Good thing you you didn't act a nut with him. The whole child in the car thing is crazy too. They more than likely had to call a social worker to come pick up the child. I can't believe that guy was that irresponsible that he didn't even think about the welfare of his child while he acted a total anus.