$3.99 / gal...might be time for E85....
However, it's a global market. If we drive less the prices will stay relatively unchanged. We're not paying hi gas prices because of how much we consume. We're paying them because of how much every other country consumes. The price per barrel isn't going to change just because we need less.
However, what you said doesn't really hold - the U.S. consumes more petrol than the next 20 countries combined.
Jeff dat sucks, 7-11 up here has it for 3.88 and i'm sure it won't b for 2 long. Maybe is time to consider a scooter yey 
I don't think there will ever b 1 either, the more they jack it up the bigger house and f1 races some of them can set up
However, it's a global market. If we drive less the prices will stay relatively unchanged. We're not paying hi gas prices because of how much we consume. We're paying them because of how much every other country consumes. The price per barrel isn't going to change just because we need less.
U.S energy is going to be short for a few years. the key is shale oil .. caveat to this is it is very deep, difficult to refine (for now) The US has appox 3.3 trillion barrels worth to be mined if this can be perfected we will not need ethanol or the middle east. The middle east economy will be fine like I said china and India will become their biggest customers. good for them how would you like to deal with china? those two regions deserve each other. I attend a lot of commodities (agriculture,natural gas/crude light crude,coffee cotton and so on) conferences in nyc. I hear a lot of people who actually move the markets a few points depending on whether they sell or buy. They without a doubt see 200$ barrels of crude coming soon to a pump near you. It is going to get worse. You may think Im full of ,,,,,,, but you will see
I remember reading a study...they talked about how making biodiesel (very similar to ethanol really), corn pretty much blows. Productivity is something like 40 barrels an acre. However, there is a type of algae, whose productivity (in ponds) was 10,000 barrels per acre!
I also hear that a professor did a paper on this and talked about how to select these algaes and build an infrastructure around it...he was paid off nicely and politely told to stfu...this second part however makes me want to put a tin foil hat on
I also hear that a professor did a paper on this and talked about how to select these algaes and build an infrastructure around it...he was paid off nicely and politely told to stfu...this second part however makes me want to put a tin foil hat on
this is true especially now that china and India have come of age in terms of industrialization. Corn, sugar and grass fuel alternatives are questionable at best.
U.S energy is going to be short for a few years. the key is shale oil .. caveat to this is it is very deep, difficult to refine (for now) The US has appox 3.3 trillion barrels worth to be mined if this can be perfected we will not need ethanol or the middle east. The middle east economy will be fine like I said china and India will become their biggest customers. good for them how would you like to deal with china? those two regions deserve each other. I attend a lot of commodities (agriculture,natural gas/crude light crude,coffee cotton and so on) conferences in nyc. I hear a lot of people who actually move the markets a few points depending on whether they sell or buy. They without a doubt see 200$ barrels of crude coming soon to a pump near you. It is going to get worse. You may think Im full of ,,,,,,, but you will see
U.S energy is going to be short for a few years. the key is shale oil .. caveat to this is it is very deep, difficult to refine (for now) The US has appox 3.3 trillion barrels worth to be mined if this can be perfected we will not need ethanol or the middle east. The middle east economy will be fine like I said china and India will become their biggest customers. good for them how would you like to deal with china? those two regions deserve each other. I attend a lot of commodities (agriculture,natural gas/crude light crude,coffee cotton and so on) conferences in nyc. I hear a lot of people who actually move the markets a few points depending on whether they sell or buy. They without a doubt see 200$ barrels of crude coming soon to a pump near you. It is going to get worse. You may think Im full of ,,,,,,, but you will see
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i dont doubt what your saying at all. but dont you think it would help having a president who would stop big oil companies from shutting up all the scientist and ppl coming up with new sources of fuel. This would be the year.... except there is noone who REALLY cares about of economy running (IMO)
I knew trying to bring up basic economics and common sense in a thread like this was a waste of time.Don't like high prices? DRIVE LESS. Cut consumption and prices will fall (speculation in the markets aside). Or encourage the U.S. govt. to allow more drilling.
Alternatively, ***** and moan because you bought a car with poor petrol mileage. That's going to help.
Rest assured I am not the person who "doesn't get it."so, your suggestion to drive less is simplistic and demonstrates no understanding of what is real or feasable and has no economic theory behind it. truth be told, if it costs 6 bucks a gallon or 3 a gallon, people still have to drive to work, and will continue to do so. such is the non-elasticity of demand for energy - people will pay whatever it takes to go where they need to because there is no choice. the energy industry knows this and the market is structured to allow it.
suggesting that by just "cutting demand" (however it is you think that can really be done) that prices will fall pretty much ignores everything that makes energy demand such a complex and nuanced topic. but it's cool, even a basic understanding takes more work than some people are willing to put in.
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Here's a link to e-85 prices and stations in California, http://e85prices.com/California.html