I really wish I could go to the dyno day and watch Shiv tune. That would be cool! I think the XEDE is great, and you guys just don't understand it. Everyone should buy one, then when I finally buy an EVO, all I will have to do to make my car FAST is copy Dave's car.

 

A plug-in XEDE is $895. A wire-in AFC is $340. That is a $555 difference. That differential buys you:


-Ignition timing control which, IMHO, is of some value
-Plug-in harness- no wire cutting
-3D (RPM dependant) boost mapping
-Realtime Map switching
-Knock sensor adjust feature
-Laptop tuning interface with datalogging

All of which provide actual benefits when it comes to making power reliably and consistently.

If that is an unreasonable price for those features, so be it. Get an AFC. End of discussion. Everyone is entitled to go different routes.

It seems to me that people are getting far too emotional about certain issues. That is understandable given the passion everyone here shares for these and other cars. But let's try to look at things objectively and not give fodder for salty internet debates.

Best Regards,
Shiv

 

Shiv once again I think you have missed the point of Mr.Buschurs post. In you're somewhat arrogant posturing, When you're points are challenged.

Mr. Buschur has been making reliable Hp for over 14 years using the Methods he described in his above post. He just itemized a complete list of mods to create a reliable and safe 300whp EVO 8.

As he stated he has the fastest PUMP gas EVO 8 in existence and his entire parts list is within $130 of your XEDE and tuning. Im not completely sure where the misunderstanding stems from. You are charging 1000 dollars to tune an already moded EVO 8's.

Mr. Buschur just explained he can supply you with everything necessary to produce a 300whp EVO 8 for the same cost as You're simple fuel computer and dyno tuning .

This is another example of experience over Hype. We don't fault you, you simply have not been doing this long enough to actually know what works.

Best regards....Holla

 

Dave,

Not to question your claims in any way, but do they come from a 2wd or AWD dynojet?

shiv

 

Shiv, how hard is it to get the car running good after just installing it, if you have no experience with it? I'm just curious. Not tuned, per say, just running well enough to drive around town.

 

If you are not knocking, why adjust this? If you are knocking, why not adjust something else?

 

The model of the dyno doesn't matter when there's a 1/4 mile time on the car.

The track is the ultimate judge. You cannot fake or fudge a track time.

DG

 

Seaking from first hand exerience with two buschur equied evos - they are seriously fast, and they are fast at any price, , that they go that fast and also do it for a small fraction of the cost - thats amazing. Buschur knows the 4g63 from years of hard earned experience which shows in the results their products achieve.

Secondly - he hosts the dsm shootout which is one of the most enjoyable and well run events of its kind in the world.

For those reasons - I would not hesitate to recomend his products and follow his sugestions about what parts to install on my car.

Finally - if I had to choose between a APEXI designed AFC and a product made by some small Ausrtalian company there is no comparision. After the BPM fiasco I go JDM all the way.

 

In all candor and with due respect - i think Shiv would gain a LOT of credability with the dsm crowd by making an exede evo fast and going to a drag strip to law down some fast times.

The problem is with the funky moon dyno he uses its really impossible to gauge the results of his products to the other vendors.

I say build a fast vishnu evo and show us all what you can do on a track.

With $1,000 a slot dyno days all over the country I am sure you can afford to sla on a few bolt on parts and head to the track.

Not one of the old salts you refer to is impressed with 20 - 25 whp $1,000 gains

 

the thing is alfried, ive tuned all 3 of my dsm's [92gvr4, 98 eclipse gsx, and now 03 evo 8] on the funky moon dyno, and i look at dynojets and all i see is innacuracy and untrustworthy squiggled up and down the page, the funky moon dyno is so readable, you look at it when it dynos a skyline and you can watch the differential pass power from the front to rear wheels at a 1 hp per 100rpm rate, its just plain better....
yeah there is no sae correction persay so it doesnt read as high, but it just plain tells you what the wheels get and makes it far more accurate to know what the motor gets if you dont have dynojet [spinning drums and a mathematical equation vs actual resistance and measurement] interference....
bushur is good, no doubt, but go ahead and adjust boost on the dyno for yourself and see if that makes power on your evo, or loses power.... and drive shivs stage 1 evo everyone, its seriously the cleanest, natural, unmodded-feeling-gain of about 70 motor hp [about 45-50 to the wheels [55-60 on dynojet]] i could possibly fathom... and thats after having modding the old fashion way 2 times prior myself.
yeah spending more money for quality product isnt for everyone, but if you want a car that just plain feels like it came from the factory as fast as a porche turbo, go vishnu stage 1 and youll love life. this is just my 2 cents being there and back and working at mitsubishi and knowing what healthy/safe cars and unhealthy/abused cars drive, feel and accelerate like.
and to all the best evo because its your own, dp

 

Shiv,

You know as well as everyone else that we tune on our 2wd Dynojet. We got our base numbers and every number since then on the same dyno. We started at 254 hp/260 ft lbs on this dyno and the last time we dyno'd we were at 343.9 hp. This was a 90 WHP gain for $1999. (This package is on sale now for that price).

You point is going to be 2wd vs. 4wd dyno etc. etc., blah blah. That is all well and good. Problem is guys are seeing the same results on 4wd dyno's.

I just got an e-mail the day before yesterday. A customer of ours who has just our full exhaust, AFC and a boost controller made 300 whp on Pruven's dyno, on pump gas. Hell, he is doing better than we were!

Just to further back up our numbers, Kevin ran a 12.09 at 115.09 mph in the EVO last night, on pump gas.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

Shiv on you're web page you have estimated Hp and 1/4 times for you're 2400 signature stage 2 package. i have 2 questions, but i feel they wont be answered.

1)

Since you have an in house dyno why are the performance numbers an estimation and not actual dyno figures of you're tuning and accomplishment.


2)

If you're focus is not drag racing. Why do you have estimated 1/4 mile times associated with your packages and not lap times. Since you have posted that is Vishnu's main focus is absolutely Not drag racing. Guessing at 1/4 mile times that we have not actually accomplished is considered arm chair racing.

 

To me estimation of 1/4 mile times is like mastrabation dreaiming of fornication with a hot chick. Perosnally, I chose to live my life in the 1st person and would rather just do it for real.

Whats the big deal - just go to a track and run some numbers ? I don;t get it

 

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